[BBC News] Charity push for injured TT men

[Matt Bawden]

I'm confused, surely it would have been easier for them to start the engine up and ride the sidecar round rather than push it, plus it wouldn't have held traffic up for too long either

 

So says Matt Bawden, the man who is about as funny as throat cancer

 

 

Just thought I'd lighten the thread a bit as it was getting very negatively and aggressively charged.....h(omo)boy

[hboy]

I'm confused, surely it would have been easier for them to start the engine up and ride the sidecar round rather than push it, plus it wouldn't have held traffic up for too long either

 

So says Matt Bawden, the man who is about as funny as throat cancer

 

 

Just thought I'd lighten the thread a bit as it was getting very negatively and aggressively charged.....h(omo)boy

 

Oh. Jokes about me being a bum boy. Very grown up and just about your level of humour.

 

I've always thought that Matt Bawden is not your real name but your actually someone posing as him on the internet just to make the real person look like a complete twat.

[Matt Bawden]

I'm confused, surely it would have been easier for them to start the engine up and ride the sidecar round rather than push it, plus it wouldn't have held traffic up for too long either

 

So says Matt Bawden, the man who is about as funny as throat cancer

 

 

Just thought I'd lighten the thread a bit as it was getting very negatively and aggressively charged.....h(omo)boy

 

Oh. Jokes about me being a bum boy. Very grown up and just about your level of humour.

 

I've always thought that Matt Bawden is not your real name but your actually someone posing as him on the internet just to make the real person look like a complete twat.

 

 

Why are you getting so angry?.....you seriously need professional help

[WTF]

I let competitors stay at my house year round,they come over usually for the weekend to brush up on their knowledge of the track.Look at the amount of bikers who visit outside of the racing period.As for all the slobbering about the fundraising ,if you have nish positive to say maybe it would be better saying nothing at all...

 

That doesn't answer my question, not surprising given the attitude of the biking community, where any question is met with aggression, but surely one of them can answer a simple question - Why do they NEED to raise this money?

 

 

any insurances in place will, as pointed out in the other post, take time to come through, usually lots of time. also, insurances are only likely to be for the 'riders' , not for family travel and accomodation. the local resident Nick will be away from home and family for quite a while, and the costings of getting off this rock by anymeans for familly to visit/stay with him for extended periods will be expensive and not covered by insurance. as a family unit nick is off work and his missus too i assume is not going to be carrying on as normal where she works?? so both incomes are not what they were. its just not possible to juggle kids/work/hospital in the UK. so in short, they have what many see as most expensive travel expenses per mile in the western world, on a regular basis? and a heavily reduced income. so yes there is a need for money.

[Declan]

Thanks for the answer.

[WTF]

A sponsored sidecar push around the TT race course in aid of an injured sidecar duo raises about £3,000.

 

Source : http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/world/...man/8135115.stm

Why?

Question 1: Will you give me some money for these people who were injured racing in theTT?

Question 2: Will you give me some money for these people who were injured if I push a sidecar round the TT course?

I assume they asked the first question before they asked the second? Personally, speaking I wouldn't give to either but I would be considerably less irritated if someone just asked me quesiotn 1, tbh. Just - why?

 

You've said you wouldn't give to either, so why are you irritated? ........To be quite honest, I for one don't care what you think, or that you're irritated by these fundraising events and I know that everyone who is supporting these fundraising events doesn't care that it irritates you either.

If people want to give to any fundraiser, no matter what the cause, that's up them, nobody twists their arm and nobody forces them to do it, obviously though, people feel strongly enough about these fundraising events to support them.

Thanks

Mark

 

In my opinion, these injuries are self-inflicted. I am very sorry these people are in pain and hope they make a speedy recovery but they can't seriously be asking for people to contribute to the outcome of their recklessness in taking part.

 

 

would you apply this 'logic' to war veterans who volunteered to be in the armed services 'knowing' there was a risk of injury and are now worse off than many TT riders?? how long has the poppy appeal been going for those who took part??? i doubt there will be a crowe/cox fundraiser in 50 years!!!

[Slim]

That doesn't answer my question, not surprising given the attitude of the biking community, where any question is met with aggression, but surely one of them can answer a simple question - Why do they NEED to raise this money?

 

From what I can tell, they don't need to, they just want to, to help the families and make this easier for them. There's friends and rellies who want to do something to help, and the fundraising is it.

 

I find the reaction to this fundraising interesting, the bikey people are very defensive about the whole thing, it's a side to motorsport that they almost seem to want to keep out of everyones attention because they know it's a negative aspect to the sport, but they also want to help out friends and raise money.

 

And I agree with the post above, it's optional if you don't agree with the cause, don't contribute. But I do think the people involved should be less twitchy about it.

[piebaps]

One thought of mine, is when there's a brand spanking new £120million + hospital, why is there the need to send injured riders away for treatment ??....Yes some would say the facilities aren't right on the IOM !! but to spend that kind of ££££.. then still end up sending people across..would it not be more cost effective to have the specailists there ??..oh hang on a bit of rational thinking there ..

 

 

I used to have the same kinda thoughts Scrote, until Mrs Baps had an accident. She managed to bust her leg up quite badly and needed some hossy treatment.

 

The type of break she suffered required highly specialised treatment which is only available in 4 NHS centres UK wide and one of these is on Liverpool. The types of injuries treated at the Liverpool Centre are not uncommon in motorcycle accidents so while nobody has actually detailed the extent of Nick & Mark's injuries (and tbh I'm not sure I want to know) it comes as no surprise to find that they are in Liverpool.

 

Details of the treatment Mrs Baps had is here http://www.ilizarov.org.uk/content.htm

 

BTW she fell off a ladder while doing some DIY.

 

While there is clearly some merit in having specialists here, you would need to balance up how often they are actually used. Paying a specialist for doing nothing isn't a good idea and of course, the less he does, the blunter his skills will become.

[Gilly G. Ossenfeffer]

In my opinion, these injuries are self-inflicted. I am very sorry these people are in pain and hope they make a speedy recovery but they can't seriously be asking for people to contribute to the outcome of their recklessness in taking part.

 

 

would you apply this 'logic' to war veterans who volunteered to be in the armed services 'knowing' there was a risk of injury and are now worse off than many TT riders?? how long has the poppy appeal been going for those who took part??? i doubt there will be a crowe/cox fundraiser in 50 years!!!

 

Not sure about dignifying such a stupid question with an answer but as I have to wait for the kettle to boil....

Participants in dangerous sports do so, I am told, for the excitment and gratification they get from it and, where they compete, for the money and kudos.

Participants in battle do not gain personally from taking part - unless you can call a medal a gain. You would have to ask them their motives: where I have done this, the answers have always been for highly principled reasons that I can't always understand but respect enormously.

 

The first official Legion Poppy Day was held in Britain on 11 November 1921, inspired by the poem In Flanders' Fields written by John McCrae. As well as The Poppy Fund people can also support Help for Heroes at http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/

[Lost Login]

I do not see the views are offensive. Most of the views and questions I have seen here are in my opinion reasonable and sensible.

 

We the lay person are asked to donate to assist two individuals. We have little knowledge about the two individuals, there cicumstances or there injuries. About the only thing we do know is that they were badly hurt partaking in their sport/hobby. As lay people we have little or no knowledge of the requirements and cover such people have and whether rightly or wrongly they believe that there is or should be a requirement to have reasonable cover in place in the event of such an eventuality. That cover possibly being provided my the organisers of the event.

 

In effect we lay people know very little about the circumstances etc etc unlike family, friends or those who are involved in Motorsport at some level either as a participant or as a spectator. All we know is that we are being asked to donate, many, some or very few of us might like to but we all receive lots of appeals and there is a limit to who and what we can give If our money is not wanted then fine do not request it but if it is then it should not be unreasonable to explain why if asked reasonably rather than just be told "If it was not required we would not be asking for it"

 

I have to admit I am apalled at some of the responses and especially statements like yours below "If you don't want to give any money then don't bloody bother" If they were my friends I would being doing the best I could to explain why the funds were required as the more people who fully understand the reason surely the more that is likely to be donated

 

Finally

 

I still have several questions which I concern me prior to donating:

 

Did the parties have insurance to ultimately cover. If so are we being requested to cover a shortfall until funds are paid out or is it because there is a lack of cover.

 

Do the organisors/DHSS not cover family going to visit the costs of close family visiting relatives in UK hospitals

 

I can probably guess the answers and reasons behind but I would like to be know as firstly as a lay person it would help me understand so I can reach a decision on whether to donate with the facts before me.

 

Secondly and more importantly I do not want anybody else to be in the same position in the future and I strongly believe that in future all who participate should be properly covered and it not they should not be allowed to enter the Tt or MGP. If that cover has to be provided for my the ornisors then so be it. Equally there should be a fund to assist financially family visiting close relatives in hospital of competitors. wether that be Manx families going to the Uk or the other way around. Put simply if we are meant to have the and put on a World Class event thiose who particiopate and there families should be treated to the same high standards. They should not have to rely on family and friends trying to raise a few quid. In a nutshell that is probably why many of the questions have been asked as those of us not involved with the sport find it difficult to comprehend that in this day and age such arrangements are not already in place

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not sure about dignifying such a stupid question with an answer but as I have to wait for the kettle to boil....

Participants in dangerous sports do so, I am told, for the excitment and gratification they get from it and, where they compete, for the money and kudos.

 

I really can't believe how offensive your views are. If you don't want to give any money then don't bloody bother. I don't think anyone is trying to rip you off. If you feel that you'd like to help then throw a few quid their way, if you don't them I don't see that anyone is trying to bend your arm.

 

As I see it people are just trying to help out other people who are going through a difficult time. Its not a ponzi scheme, or a scam, or some sort of con trick. They are asking people, if they have any compassion (which you clearly don't), to donate some money to help. Its not like the families are sunning themselves in the Bahamas at their expense is it?

 

You can't blame people for wanting to help if they can?

[Gilly G. Ossenfeffer]

Secondly and more importantly I do not want anybody else to be in the same position in the future and I strongly believe that in future all who participate should be properly covered and it not they should not be allowed to enter the Tt or MGP. If that cover has to be provided for my the ornisors then so be it. Equally there should be a fund to assist financially family visiting close relatives in hospital of competitors. wether that be Manx families going to the Uk or the other way around. Put simply if we are meant to have the and put on a World Class event thiose who particiopate and there families should be treated to the same high standards. They should not have to rely on family and friends trying to raise a few quid. In a nutshell that is probably why many of the questions have been asked as those of us not involved with the sport find it difficult to comprehend that in this day and age such arrangements are not already in place

 

Yes, absolutely. Assuming this request for money has arisen, not out of a delay by the insurance company in paying out but because the riders didn't have adequate insurance then it really does beggar belief who, in their right mind, would compete in such a dangerous sport without appropriate cover for the inevitable accident or even, sadly, death. Race requirement or not, it obviously makes sense to ensure your dependents don't suffer if you are injured or killed, ( in any walk of life,) but absolutely essential I would have thought in an occupation as dangerous as TT bike racing. Relying on public donations to save the day is a hopeless way to go. Sure, it might pay for the next trip to the UK but what if the rider is paralysed, for instance, and care is required for the rest of the rider's life.?

[Lee54]

PRESS RELEASE

 

 

 

[Gilly G. Ossenfeffer]

PRESS RELEASE

Interesting - I'd never even heard of these people (but then, like I said, the TT is a massive yawn to me). Do they do much fund raising on the IOM? I wonder if the big name racing teams make any sort of contribution to this organisation, after all they must benefit hugely by the coverage they get from the TT and the least they could do is contribute to its more unpleasant aftermath.

[Lee54]

PRESS RELEASE

Interesting - I'd never even heard of these people (but then, like I said, the TT is a massive yawn to me). Do they do much fund raising on the IOM? I wonder if the big name racing teams make any sort of contribution to this organisation, after all they must benefit hugely by the coverage they get from the TT and the least they could do is contribute to its more unpleasant aftermath.

 

 

The president is Neil Tuxworth the boss of Honda UK

[keyboarder]

What a peculiar press release.