Vulgarian Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 As justifications for carnage in the pursuit of profit go, that ranks as one of the corniest and hammiest loads of nonsense I've ever read. lol. Yes, lots of people profit from the TT especially, but that's not why the racers themselves participate, and those aren't the principles i'm defending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyboarder Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Yes, you are attempting to justify why racers do what they do. And that is completely different to justifying why we all allow them to do it. Which is what interests me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee54 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Keyboarder, Road racing has lost three riders over the past three weeks, the latest last week at Kells, read the families response to the death of their son from the following link. http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/featur...4251061743.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 So you mean to say then Keyboarder that you do not have sympathy for the family that this guy left behind? That isn't what I wrote. I both sympathise with and pity them. You mean he should not have been allowed to feel for his missing limb? No. I hardly see how that could be forbidden. I mean that's where my thoughts lie. Sometimes it is nice to think that someone has died whilst doing something that they enjoy. What, crashing? Does anyone enjoy that? I agree that race supporters do need to be mindful of the concerns of the wider community, it is after all largely publicly funded, but if the various road racing events on the island are to continue the public must accept that a high level of danger is intrinsic to the sport. Personally, that's why i give my support to road racing, even though i'm not a great bike fan; because in a society where we are protected from danger to the point of not being in control of our own lives, road racing is a sport where men voluntarily face death doing something they enjoy. As justifications for carnage in the pursuit of profit go, that ranks as one of the corniest and hammiest loads of nonsense I've ever read. I would seriously doubt if any of the riders do it in pursuit of profit, I would guess they do it for the buzz and the adrenalin rush - same reason why people get involved in other sports, same reason people go bungee jumping. I think the majority of people would probably rather die doing something they enjoy doing. People die hang gliding, boxing, playing football, mountain biking, climbing, mountaneering etc - Keyboarder - would you like us all to live in a really controlled, dull, boring world controlled by the health and safety nazis with no escape? Or do you live in a world like that and are jealous of people who can get off their arse and find something exciting to do with their lives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMC Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Im glad to others are upset over this story http://www.iomtt.com/Home/Forum/ShowPost.a...p;PostID=177999 That link's a bit bizarre. Is some of the thread missing or something? Those bikers like for this sort of thing to be brushed under the carpet though eh, even Bell End Biker is shooting the messenger. Yes, the first postings have been removed and therefore the whole thread is now out of the public domain. That's how it works on iomtt.com due to the old software used!! And yes, I did post a reply to delete it, and also posted prior to that as it was felt that the way the matter was presented wasn't in anyone's best interest. One day keyboarder, you will see that I'm not a nasty piece of work, but a caring individual, a family man who cares not only for himself, but for others also!! Kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulgarian Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Yes, you are attempting to justify why racers do what they do. And that is completely different to justifying why we all allow them to do it. Which is what interests me. Yeh... Tell us why we shouldn't then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMC Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Yes, you are attempting to justify why racers do what they do. And that is completely different to justifying why we all allow them to do it. Which is what interests me. I don't believe anyone can dictate if a racer rides or not. Surely this is their decision to make and there's alone!! As for riding for profit, then you will be hard pushed to find anyone outside of the top 3 or 4 that makes anything out of their racing. It's not down to the prize money, it's down to the desire to do what they do, and what they enjoy doing. Be it at a great cost in monetary terms, and also unfortunately in the cost of life on occasions Kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyboarder Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Keyboarder, Road racing has lost three riders over the past three weeks, the latest last week at Kells, read the families response to the death of their son from the following link. http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/featur...4251061743.html I couldn't read all that tedious article, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyboarder Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 One day keyboarder, you will see that I'm not a nasty piece of work, but a caring individual, a family man who cares not only for himself, but for others also!! I've never had you down as a nasty piece of work. Just a bit of a plonker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee54 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 One day keyboarder, you will see that I'm not a nasty piece of work, but a caring individual, a family man who cares not only for himself, but for others also!! I've never had you down as a nasty piece of work. Just a bit of a plonker. Plonker. When Martin Finnegan lost his life a reported 10000 bikes escorted his coffin home, show me any other sportman that gets that type of respect only Joey Dunlop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyboarder Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 I don't believe anyone can dictate if a racer rides or not. Surely this is their decision to make and there's alone!! Uh, no actually. They wouldn't be able to if our government didn't allow it. As for riding for profit, then you will be hard pushed to find anyone outside of the top 3 or 4 that makes anything out of their racing. It's not down to the prize money, it's down to the desire to do what they do, and what they enjoy doing. Be it at a great cost in monetary terms, and also unfortunately in the cost of life on occasions You misunderstand. The profit to which I refer comes from selling substandard Homestay accommodation and dodgy burgers to the masses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyboarder Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 When Martin Finigan lost his life a reported 10000 bikes escorted his coffin home, show me any other sportman that gets that type of respect only Joey Dunlop Who's Martin Finigan? I've never heard of him I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMC Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 I don't believe anyone can dictate if a racer rides or not. Surely this is their decision to make and there's alone!! Uh, no actually. They wouldn't be able to if our government didn't allow it. As for riding for profit, then you will be hard pushed to find anyone outside of the top 3 or 4 that makes anything out of their racing. It's not down to the prize money, it's down to the desire to do what they do, and what they enjoy doing. Be it at a great cost in monetary terms, and also unfortunately in the cost of life on occasions You misunderstand. The profit to which I refer comes from selling substandard Homestay accommodation and dodgy burgers to the masses. Your government will continue to back the TT and related races as long as it brings people to the Island. However, if anything is going to bring it to an end, then it will more likely be the Health and Safety brigade rather than your Parliament!! As for the profiteers that you refer to, then aren't they the same ones that you find at any type of event, and not just connected to the TT etc. Kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyboarder Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Well the government can do what they like and bikers can continue to kill themselves. It isn't my decision, I'm not Manx and I am fairly indifferent to it all. But I shall continue to be somewhat entertained by the bizarre antics of the road racing fraternity, or some of it at least, to attempt to push everybody else's head into the sand even if they do allow themselves a little sneaky glimpse, lol,lol..... ; )) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMC Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 When Martin Finigan lost his life a reported 10000 bikes escorted his coffin home, show me any other sportman that gets that type of respect only Joey Dunlop Who's Martin Finigan? I've never heard of him I'm afraid. I believe that is where the problem lies keyboarder!! Martin was one of the most respected Road Racers coming out of Ireland, and if you are not akin to or connected with Road Racing, then I suppose you wouldn't know who he was, and as such do you really have a right to condemn something you know nothing about. To enter into a debate and to have an opinion on something, surely it's best to swat up on the subject first, rather than steam in and look a little silly when you are found to know nothing at all of the topic !! Kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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