keyboarder Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 When Martin Finigan lost his life a reported 10000 bikes escorted his coffin home, show me any other sportman that gets that type of respect only Joey Dunlop Who's Martin Finigan? I've never heard of him I'm afraid. I believe that is where the problem lies keyboarder!! Martin was one of the most respected Road Racers coming out of Ireland, and if you are not akin to or connected with Road Racing, then I suppose you wouldn't know who he was, and as such do you really have a right to condemn something you know nothing about. To enter into a debate and to have an opinion on something, surely it's best to swat up on the subject first, rather than steam in and look a little silly when you are found to know nothing at all of the topic !! Kev It sounds like you're referring to Martin Finnegan. Not Finigan you dopey twat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMC Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 When Martin Finigan lost his life a reported 10000 bikes escorted his coffin home, show me any other sportman that gets that type of respect only Joey Dunlop Who's Martin Finigan? I've never heard of him I'm afraid. I believe that is where the problem lies keyboarder!! Martin was one of the most respected Road Racers coming out of Ireland, and if you are not akin to or connected with Road Racing, then I suppose you wouldn't know who he was, and as such do you really have a right to condemn something you know nothing about. To enter into a debate and to have an opinion on something, surely it's best to swat up on the subject first, rather than steam in and look a little silly when you are found to know nothing at all of the topic !! Kev It sounds like you're referring to Martin Finnegan. Not Finigan you dopey twat. An obvious mistake to make, so why the bad language ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee54 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Keyboarder Martin was a good friend of mine and many others, his families home was always open to his friends and fans, he paid the price competing in the sport he loved. Even after his passing his family still travel to the Island to support the Races. He was never a loser like you. This is the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Roo Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 I hate bagpipes! Even more i hate hearing yet another life has been lost for the sake of a hobbie/sport, whatever. It amazes me that a human being can love something so dangerous, more than one's own child/children. I nor my husband would ever intentionally put our lives at risk and to put our children in the situation that they may have to live their lives without either parent, i live for my children, anything else comes second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyboarder Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 He was never a loser like you. I'm sure he wasn't a loser like me. But was he a loser like you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Login Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 No I think it should very much be a "public" matter as the injuries etc incurred in a public race that it actively supported and promoted. They are also injuries that unfortunately are reasonably common and I think many are to quick or unwilling to face the downside of road racing. I hate to think what sort of percentgae of those who enter road races in the IoM will never be able to ride again due to death or serious injury. Would you say then that the injuries of people killed on public roads should be disclosed for the same reasons? In the right and appropriate circumstances I would not have a problem with it, especially if it shocked some of those who appear to be believe they are immortal wehn behind the wheel. I also do not believe that participants know and accept the risks as is frequently stated. From what experience do you speak on this? I think they are well aware of the risks, actually. The road racing community is small and close-knit, and it is partly the shared risk of death that makes it so tightly held together. Almost every year a racer is lost, a fact which is very real for fellow racers who knew them. My view is from speaking to people in the sport, but also from people who take part in activities that other might consider as dangerous, or with a high risk of injury. Anybody partaking in such an activity is in my opinion, which may be wrong, very good at putting to the back of their mind the risks and adverse consequences. If they were not they would be good at the sport or activity. I would also contend that their is a difference in being aware of the risks and believing that thoses risks apply to us an individual as we generallly all have enough confidence in our own ability and that we partaking within our own comfort zone to belive that the risks do not apply to us. I may be wrong but I do believe that participants of anty activity can disassociate themselves from the potential consequences. We see that even in heavy smokers and cancer. and that any married man or Father with young children should get the written agreement of their spouse before being allowed to enter. Do you think a married man could race without the support of his wife? If he couldn't get her signature he'd probably just divorce her! Support or reluctant acceptance of the spouse? I am sure you have seen the state of some spouses whilst the rider is on the course. Now I could not put my family through that and as I freely admit as I am not a racer I struggle to understand how anybody else could. If my spouse decided they wanted to enter next year I would be saying no if I could. However I freely admit I am coming at this as a non biker so I appreciate we have opposite views which are unlikely to agree. ultimately I would assume the non road race fans are in the majority and if the race is to prosper long term then it would sensible to try and put in measure that assuage some of the "neutrals" concern. I agree that race supporters do need to be mindful of the concerns of the wider community, it is after all largely publicly funded, but if the various road racing events on the island are to continue the public must accept that a high level of danger is intrinsic to the sport. Personally, that's why i give my support to road racing, even though i'm not a great bike fan; because in a society where we are protected from danger to the point of not being in control of our own lives, road racing is a sport where men voluntarily face death doing something they enjoy. Again this is back to opinion and views on a matter. I understand that some activities are more dangerous than others but I believe that society should not necessary condone, support, allow or promote any and every activity and say that it is no problem as long as the participants accept the risks. We do not allow dueling although I am sure if we did some would participate. Where the line falls will depend on each individuals opinion and mine is that the death and serious injuries resulting from Road Racing in the IoM are not presently at acceptable levels. Many may disagree and they are entitled to their opinion. Where I struggle in discussions with such people is if they state even hypothetically that any level of incident would be deemed acceptable. I can not accept that although I understand that we will never thankfully reach the levels where it should be abhorant to virtually everybody. Finally back to the first point in general I do feel as a society we have an overly protective attitude with regards to death. I think that for most the death of the individual should be the major trauma and not what is or is not reported. I do not want sensationalism but I do not see anything wrong with factual reporting. In my view we sanitise to much. I also have difficult marrying up the statements I often read with regard to parties knowing the risk or the nanny state with calls for certain matters to be held as I think surely the possible of an unpalatable report is one of the known risks and what is censoring what is reported anything but the nanny state. Ultimately although I am not a supporter I think that the TT will survive for a while. As such I understand there will be death and serious injury but whilst I freely admit I do not have or understand the mentality of riders etc if it is to continue I would much prefer that it is looked at with a jaundiced view so that year on year safety and other matters are reviewed to ensure that in the future there are fewer troubled families and those that there are are much better provided for and looked after than appears the case at present. I think that can best be done by saying not they know the risks but by ensuring that everything is in place and covered that Joe public might expect to be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Login Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 When Martin Finnegan lost his life a reported 10000 bikes escorted his coffin home, show me any other sportman that gets that type of respect only Joey Dunlop Not many other sportsman die whilst active at a high level within their chosen sport. The last I can think of outside motorracing was Phil O'Donnell of Motherwell who died in December 2007. 60,000 turned up to a testimonial match in his honour. Ray Gravell got the same sort of respect when he died .http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/rugby_union/article2879890.ece and I am sure the like of Bobby Moore, Don Bradman etc were equally well respected. We all like to think our own spots are unique in the respect they show but in reality I expect we are all similar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee54 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 He was never a loser like you. I'm sure he wasn't a loser like me. But was he a loser like you? Well i would rather watch road racing not like you who prefers to stand about watching dogs shit, yep your normal to some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulgarian Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 VoR, I agree that the safety of riders and spectators should be continually reviewed, but there will come a point, and we are nearing it now, if indeed we have not passed it, when the implementation of safety measures impacts on the enjoyment of the event for spectators. I'm talking about the restricted viewing points around the course. Without the spectators there would be no point in holding the events. And from a practical perspective, there is a limit to the amount of 'road furniture' that be deployed because of financial and logistical constraints. Both riders, residents, and spectators must accept that road racing is a high risk sport and must accept that there are limits to the effectiveness of safety measures, and practical limits in implementing them, if they intend it to continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 VoR, I agree that the safety of riders and spectators should be continually reviewed, but there will come a point, and we are nearing it now, if indeed we have not passed it, when the implementation of safety measures impacts on the enjoyment of the event for spectators. I'm talking about the restricted viewing points around the course. Without the spectators there would be no point in holding the events. And from a practical perspective, there is a limit to the amount of 'road furniture' that be deployed because of financial and logistical constraints. Both riders, residents, and spectators must accept that road racing is a high risk sport and must accept that there are limits to the effectiveness of safety measures, and practical limits in implementing them, if they intend it to continue. Why are you adressing this response to me? I don't believe I have commented on this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyboarder Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Both riders, residents, and spectators must accept that road racing is a high risk sport and must accept that there are limits to the effectiveness of safety measures, and practical limits in implementing them, if they intend it to continue. And therefore we must accept that there will be incidents when dying riders will be reaching out for severed limbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulgarian Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Why are you adressing this response to me? I don't believe I have commented on this thread I don't fucking know! I meant Lost Login. And therefore we must accept that there will be incidents when dying riders will be reaching out for severed limbs. Well, yes, if people want it to continue. That is the nature of the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyboarder Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Exactly. So why the hysterical cries of bad taste when these things are discussed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Roo Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Why are you adressing this response to me? I don't believe I have commented on this thread I don't fucking know! I meant Lost Login. And therefore we must accept that there will be incidents when dying riders will be reaching out for severed limbs. Well, yes, if people want it to continue. That is the nature of the sport. I know this is'nt a laughing matter, but.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyboarder Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Exactly. So why the hysterical cries of bad taste when these things are discussed? And for clarification of this, iomtt.com have, apparently resulting from affronted biker types, censored the report of the case that appeared on Manx Radio's news website. And yes, that's the same Manx Radio that is Radio TT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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