La_Dolce_Vita Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 an "Administrative Officer" requires 5 GCSE's and zero ability - pay for that is £20k and up. I had a look and I think the beginning salary is £18k. What's wrong with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 an "Administrative Officer" requires 5 GCSE's and zero ability - pay for that is £20k and up. I had a look and I think the beginning salary is £18k. What's wrong with that? Not much I'd say. But I'm sure any advert for this positions does not specify "zero ability" as a pre-requisite. (I suspect Mr Shoe made that bit up.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hboy Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 an "Administrative Officer" requires 5 GCSE's and zero ability - pay for that is £20k and up. I had a look and I think the beginning salary is £18k. What's wrong with that? Not much I'd say. But I'm sure any advert for this positions does not specify "zero ability" as a pre-requisite. (I suspect Mr Shoe made that bit up.) I think you'll find its implicit at interview stage Wiki: Parkinsons Law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 an "Administrative Officer" requires 5 GCSE's and zero ability - pay for that is £20k and up. I had a look and I think the beginning salary is £18k. What's wrong with that? You're the greatest anarchist in the world. You'd accept £18k a year for having zero ability and doing fuck all. Karl Marx would be proud. It's the work you would be doing is what is important not the required skills. And what do you mean by 'doing fuck all'? Karl Marx MIGHT be very proud, but of what I don't know considered he didn't agree with libertarian socialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Shoe Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 i think it's £18,700 - £25,400, so let's not get hung up on calling it £18k for 5 gcse's if you can't quite manage the 5 gcse's but ALREADY WORK for the government, they'll let you do the 'fasttrack' maths and english. they're not real gcses and only take a few weeks to do; they make gcses look like proper well hard exams. on top of that, you get a pension, many get flexi-time and (up until now) cast-iron job security. you can join a union, take time off with stress, get a generous holiday allowance and if you complain you've got too much work to do, they'll hire a temp to do it for you. for 5 gcse's (well, call it 3) i know nothing about nurses, bus drivers and bin-men...but the office CSs are a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 on top of that, you get a pension, ... After what - 40 years? After 40 minutes I would probably have murdered the boss, eaten the office cat and applied for asylum somewhere. No amount of salary could make me work for any government or company. I would rather be very poor but free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 i think it's £18,700 - £25,400, so let's not get hung up on calling it £18k for 5 gcse's if you can't quite manage the 5 gcse's but ALREADY WORK for the government, they'll let you do the 'fasttrack' maths and english. they're not real gcses and only take a few weeks to do; they make gcses look like proper well hard exams. on top of that, you get a pension, many get flexi-time and (up until now) cast-iron job security. you can join a union, take time off with stress, get a generous holiday allowance and if you complain you've got too much work to do, they'll hire a temp to do it for you. for 5 gcse's (well, call it 3) i know nothing about nurses, bus drivers and bin-men...but the office CSs are a joke The private sector is shit, don't ya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitch Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 i think it's £18,700 - £25,400, so let's not get hung up on calling it £18k for 5 gcse's if you can't quite manage the 5 gcse's but ALREADY WORK for the government, they'll let you do the 'fasttrack' maths and english. they're not real gcses and only take a few weeks to do; they make gcses look like proper well hard exams. on top of that, you get a pension, many get flexi-time and (up until now) cast-iron job security. you can join a union, take time off with stress, get a generous holiday allowance and if you complain you've got too much work to do, they'll hire a temp to do it for you. for 5 gcse's (well, call it 3) i know nothing about nurses, bus drivers and bin-men...but the office CSs are a joke This is exactly like my job in the private sector although you need to add in bonus, free christmas party, etc. Think you're being a bit harsh here. Care to give us some specific examples? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xpert Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Lifted straight from iomtoday.co.im 'Civil servants face uncertainty over jobs and pay Prospect union's negotiations officer says: 'Our members face a pay cut, and no guarantee of future job security beyond March 2101' How mean making Civil Servants sweat for the next 92 years regarding their job security! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Think you're being a bit harsh here. Care to give us some specific examples? I don't think anyone is being too harsh but specific examples are around. There are departments of government where in general staff do appear to be surly and lazy - I had my passport renewed recently and some of the staff there are just miserable fucktards and are happy to treat you like shit as part of the service experience. The DHSS is another place where they bring a new dimension to the phrase "Couldn't give a fuck". It does seem to be government workers that are on public display that create this perception that the rest of them must be a bunch of disinterested lazy arses which of course is not true across the board. Whatever happens they will never be as insecure as jobs in the private sector - a few people in this thread have picked up on the "in real terms" statement by Angela Moffatt as it makes it clear that these people are not facing pay cuts at all. They are facing possible less than inflation pay rises which is not the same thing. I know loads of people where pay has been frozen this year - no raises - still not a pay cut but a damn sight worse than getting a below inflation increase possibly sometime in the next 2 years. Just like when the bus inspectors went out on strike you'll find that the 70% of the population that don't work for the government couldn't give a toss as everyone knows that in general its an easy ride in government where little is expected of you and little is often given back on that basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 i think it's £18,700 - £25,400, so let's not get hung up on calling it £18k for 5 gcse's if you can't quite manage the 5 gcse's but ALREADY WORK for the government, they'll let you do the 'fasttrack' maths and english. they're not real gcses and only take a few weeks to do; they make gcses look like proper well hard exams. on top of that, you get a pension, many get flexi-time and (up until now) cast-iron job security. you can join a union, take time off with stress, get a generous holiday allowance and if you complain you've got too much work to do, they'll hire a temp to do it for you. for 5 gcse's (well, call it 3) i know nothing about nurses, bus drivers and bin-men...but the office CSs are a joke The private sector is shit, don't ya think? No, I've worked in the private sector all my life, had some good jobs, a few not so good. But most people need a job to live. I've no real complaints. I've obviously, like most people, had occasion to deal with office bound civil servants . Usually found them capable and helpful. No complaints there either. Probably on a par with private sector employees like myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queenie Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 i think it's £18,700 - £25,400, so let's not get hung up on calling it £18k for 5 gcse's if you can't quite manage the 5 gcse's but ALREADY WORK for the government, they'll let you do the 'fasttrack' maths and english. they're not real gcses and only take a few weeks to do; they make gcses look like proper well hard exams. on top of that, you get a pension, many get flexi-time and (up until now) cast-iron job security. you can join a union, take time off with stress, get a generous holiday allowance and if you complain you've got too much work to do, they'll hire a temp to do it for you. for 5 gcse's (well, call it 3) i know nothing about nurses, bus drivers and bin-men...but the office CSs are a joke By 'fasttrack' I presume you mean the Adminstrative Officer's exam, I haven't taken it myself but know a number of people who have chosen to take GCSE's at night school as an alternative. I realise flexitime is more difficult in smaller companies, but I'm sure the more progressive larger private companies offer this. If your employer is preventing you from joining/forming a union then this is surely illegal? Many private companies offer a pension scheme and government workers are obliged to contribute to theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesypeas Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 I think the exams are called 'key skills', and apply to all Govt. workers, not just admin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queenie Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 I think the exams are called 'key skills', and apply to all Govt. workers, not just admin. I'm not aware of that one, I think the Administrative Officer's exam is aimed towards people who want to go for AO jobs, but don't have 5 GCSE's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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