Moghrey Mie Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Does anybody know how many young people are in the Secure Unit at the White Hoe? Why do they go there and are they held voluntarily? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Ten Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Write to; Department of Home Affairs "HOMEFIELD" 88 Woodbourne Road DOUGLAS And let us all know how you get on! LT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted August 11, 2009 Author Share Posted August 11, 2009 Write to; Department of Home Affairs "HOMEFIELD" 88 Woodbourne Road DOUGLAS And let us all know how you get on! LT Are you sure? I thought it would be child care under Social Services and/ or Education Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halfbaked Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 usually offenders too young to go to Jurby. or they go there as a place of safety for their own well being. I think most of the ones that end up in their are in care of some sort anyway. they are subject of court orders or their by social services direction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Methinks this is a rhetorical questrion and MM is not expecting a direct answer, but is hoping for an oblique reply from which he can open a debate on the real point he is wanting to make. I could be wrong ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piebaps Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Methinks this is a rhetorical questrion and MM is not expecting a direct answer, but is hoping for an oblique reply from which he can open a debate on the real point he is wanting to make. I could be wrong ..... The Unit is operated by The St Christopher's Fellowship http://www.stchris.org.uk/pages/what-we-do...sle-of-man.html who are contracted to provide the service by the DHSS. Children (AFAIK) can only be referred there via the Courts so statistics would have to be maintained by 1. Courts Division of the General Registry - although family Courts can be tricky to get data from. 2. Social Services Division of DHSS - They must pay St Christophers per child so will have to know. 3. St Christophers themselves - Again, they'll have to know for billing purposes. I don't think anyone would go there voluntarily. By it's nature secure means locked up and you can't be locked up without some sort of legal process and rights. For a short initial period if someone was an immediate danger to themselves or others, I suspect there is a mechanism for immediate detention but even then, it would have to go in front of a Court pdq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stavros Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Methinks this is a rhetorical questrion and MM is not expecting a direct answer, but is hoping for an oblique reply from which he can open a debate on the real point he is wanting to make. I could be wrong ..... How cynical of you Gladys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 I seem to remember an MHK asking this information a few months ago. Have a trawl through the Tynwald Hansard and you may get the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted August 12, 2009 Author Share Posted August 12, 2009 Methinks this is a rhetorical questrion and MM is not expecting a direct answer, but is hoping for an oblique reply from which he can open a debate on the real point he is wanting to make. I could be wrong ..... Strangely enough I would actually like to know how many young people go there and why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxy Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Page 7&8 question number 4 from the House of Keys, Tuesday 25th March 2003 (This is a pdf document) http://www.tynwald.org.im/papers/hansards/...kqh25032003.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piebaps Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Cheers manxy, pretty much as I'd thought. The debate was some years ago though and it would be nice to see some up to date numbers. A reuest to DHSS should yield a reply as its hardly a secret however failing that get your MHK to table a question similar to Quentin's. Therefore to answer the OP How many - You'll need to ask. Why - At the direction of a Court or via a directive issued by the director of Social Services (on grounds of personal or community safety). The unit is I guess in laymans terms, a prison for children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazir Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Methinks this is a rhetorical questrion and MM is not expecting a direct answer, but is hoping for an oblique reply from which he can open a debate on the real point he is wanting to make. I could be wrong ..... Strangely enough I would actually like to know how many young people go there and why. Isn't this what happens in the Golden Compass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted August 12, 2009 Author Share Posted August 12, 2009 Page 7&8 question number 4 from the House of Keys, Tuesday 25th March 2003(This is a pdf document) http://www.tynwald.org.im/papers/hansards/...kqh25032003.pdf Thanks. That is very helpful. It would be interesting to know how many young people are being held now 6 years later and the reasons for them being held in secure accommodation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whimsy Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Secure Unit - Who Goes There? No, no, no. It's "HALT - Who Goes There? I hope you're not in charge of stopping the next invading army. Or the one after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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