Roger Mexico Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 48 minutes ago, Cambon said: No. We have a purpose built, perfect covered area with toilets, waiting area, welcome centre, WHSmith and Costa at the Seaterminal that is begging to be used. About the only thing that that ridiculous letter does cover is the possible use of the Sea Terminal: This isn't the real reason of course - it's that the DoI bigwigs don't want to lose their parking. But looking at the site and the number of buses that would be using it, it would probably be a bit of a push, especially when you consider the existing needs of sea passengers and taxis etc at busy times. It's also a bit further out and inhospitable for bus passengers who are often less mobile, burdened with shopping and children etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lethargy Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, thommo2010 said: But people seem to have managed for the past 20 years off the top of my head there are 3 cafes, 4 pubs within a 100 metre radius people can go to if they want to wait inside get a brew use the toilet What a daft take. People have had to put up with shit facilities for 20 years so there's no point in creating something decent now? Central transport hubs with ample indoor seating and facilities are an essential part of any large town or city - relying on the goodwill of nearby commercial establishments for seating and toilets is an absolutely ridiculous notion. The 'bus station' as it is now is an embarrassment. A few shoddy shelters clinging onto the outer rim of a pay and display car park, largely exposed to the wind and rain and cold year round, really make it clear how much of a priority public transport and its users are on the IOM. Edited January 4 by lethargy 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 19 minutes ago, lethargy said: What a daft take. People have had to put up with shit facilities for 20 years so there's no point in creating something decent now? Central transport hubs with ample indoor seating and facilities are an essential part of any large town or city - relying on the goodwill of nearby commercial establishments for seating and toilets is an absolutely ridiculous notion. The 'bus station' as it is now is an embarrassment. A few shoddy shelters clinging onto the outer rim of a pay and display car park, largely exposed to the wind and rain and cold year round, really make it clear how much of a priority public transport and its users are on the IOM. Whenever I need to use the bus I find the shelters plenty adequate. Maybe people need to realise the gold plated standard on this Island isn't a thing anymore and actually just need to get on with it 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 45 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: About the only thing that that ridiculous letter does cover is the possible use of the Sea Terminal: This isn't the real reason of course - it's that the DoI bigwigs don't want to lose their parking. But looking at the site and the number of buses that would be using it, it would probably be a bit of a push, especially when you consider the existing needs of sea passengers and taxis etc at busy times. It's also a bit further out and inhospitable for bus passengers who are often less mobile, burdened with shopping and children etc. Losing some of their parking hits the nail on the head! One big sign saying BUSES ONLY pretty much covers it, along with the coach parking area of the sea terminal a drop off point. Also it would help (regardless of Sea Terminal) to make Walpole Avenue one way the other (original) way. At the moment it is pointless. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Faragher's motion included: “That Tynwald is of the opinion that the reestablishment of facilities for bus passengers in the island’s capital city is a priority ..... including but not limited to: ... protection from weather; toilet services; appropriate seating; accessible Wi-Fi, lighting and availability of refreshments " What about the people of Bride? Standing on the side of the road next to a hedge - that's all they get. Wi-fi and refreshments - it's the least they should have. Venting fluid into the hedge is just not on - not even in Bride. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wake Up Call Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Won't happen. Gov has run out of money. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 27 minutes ago, Cambon said: Losing some of their parking hits the nail on the head! One big sign saying BUSES ONLY pretty much covers it, along with the coach parking area of the sea terminal a drop off point. Just because they're doing it for the wrong reason doesn't mean they're wrong though. If you look at the area to be used it's a bit tight and you need to take into account the needs of the main terminal users, the sea passengers, at busy times and the possibility of expansion. And you need to consider the effect on road traffic. I suspect those calling for it will be the first to moan if they're always being held up to let buses in and out and let passengers cross to get there. These things need to be thought through and assessed. Deciding on a solution and then trying to make reality fit is how the DoI has been operating for decades and do the results strike you as good? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 36 minutes ago, Two-lane said: Faragher's motion included: “That Tynwald is of the opinion that the reestablishment of facilities for bus passengers in the island’s capital city is a priority ..... including but not limited to: ... protection from weather; toilet services; appropriate seating; accessible Wi-Fi, lighting and availability of refreshments " What about the people of Bride? Standing on the side of the road next to a hedge - that's all they get. Wi-fi and refreshments - it's the least they should have. Venting fluid into the hedge is just not on - not even in Bride. All that, plus there'll need to be staffing requirements such as a canteen and refreshment area, toilets/changing area, offices, etc. All services will need to be reinstated. There'd have to be re-surfacing 'cause the surface now, in places, is hazardous. Probably, it'll be three million quid if it proceeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 48 minutes ago, Two-lane said: What about the people of Bride? Standing on the side of the road next to a hedge - that's all they get. Wi-fi and refreshments - it's the least they should have. Venting fluid into the hedge is just not on - not even in Bride. The people of Bride can phone for a bus to their door. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizo Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 They can spend £100 million on a so called terminal/toilet block in another country but can’t manage to do it here. Wankers, every single one of them. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 2 hours ago, thommo2010 said: Whenever I need to use the bus I find the shelters plenty adequate. Maybe people need to realise the gold plated standard on this Island isn't a thing anymore and actually just need to get on with it The gold plated standard is over and being sacrificed for everything but past Govt employment T&Cs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 1 minute ago, Non-Believer said: The gold plated standard is over £1.6 million for a new light-bulb for The Gaiety. It ain't over yet. Still waiting for the fat lady to sing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Lamb Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 4 minutes ago, Two-lane said: £1.6 million for a new light-bulb for The Gaiety. It ain't over yet. Still waiting for the fat lady to sing. When she does, surely people will expect to see and hear her? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said: Just because they're doing it for the wrong reason doesn't mean they're wrong though. If you look at the area to be used it's a bit tight and you need to take into account the needs of the main terminal users, the sea passengers, at busy times and the possibility of expansion. And you need to consider the effect on road traffic. I suspect those calling for it will be the first to moan if they're always being held up to let buses in and out and let passengers cross to get there. These things need to be thought through and assessed. Deciding on a solution and then trying to make reality fit is how the DoI has been operating for decades and do the results strike you as good? The reason traffic is so bad is the result of previous bad decisions, like effectively closing down Walpole Avenue, the one way system on North Quay, Tesco debacle, etc. Pace for pace, it is no further to walk from M&S main door than the existing bus stops. Possibly a bit more exposed, yes. However, the sea terminal is underutilized , especially in the winter. Linking public transport in this way is a no brainer. At the moment, it is like having the airport bus stops in Ballasalla. Completely stupid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 3 hours ago, thommo2010 said: But people seem to have managed for the past 20 years off the top of my head there are 3 cafes, 4 pubs within a 100 metre radius people can go to if they want to wait inside get a brew use the toilet So in your head, that makes it okay? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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