mollag Posted October 23, 2009 Author Share Posted October 23, 2009 Any thoughts on the credability of the president of Afghanistan now? A chosen man in the outset and now seems to be "at it " The subject of who was responsible for the frauds seems to be taboo in the western media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 The problem is that Karzai has largely become a puppet leader of the United States since the beginning of the year. Karzai started making calls to ask the Head of the Taliban to come to Afghanistan for talks on a solution. This didn't go down well in Washington. The Americans were making plans to put him in a symbolic position and let the Americans pull the strings entirely until someone more compliant to US wishes come along. I don't think the responsibility of the fraud is taboo at all. Unless it is the US that is involved in this fraud. It is quite likely. Although regardless of who is elected, the result would not necessarily mean that the person will have power and control. The whole thing is a mess to be honest. However, the only reason for it taking place is simply to offer some symbolic sign of progress in the country and to establish a governmental structure of sort that will endorse US power and continue to work with the US to give it what it wants. Have you read about this L/Cpl Glenton? I find is strange how servicemen do not recognise that they were not being used for the Government's own ends. That is the purpose of the military. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...oliticians.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananaman Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 However, the only reason for it taking place is simply to offer some symbolic sign of progress in the country and to establish a governmental structure of sort that will endorse US power and continue to work with the US to give it what it wants. La la - what, it in all honesty now, can Afghanistan give the USA, Great Britain, Europe, Australasia, the rest of the sub-continent with an outward looking Government? Why did the United States instigate a push, please have in mind they had only used 5000 soldiers to kick the Taliban out in the first place. Pull out now and it will be silly. Very silly. Think about that figure though 5000. Not a lot to take a country without help from the population is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Not sure what you are asking. Afghanistan is strategically located and it matters who controls it. And the US has control and will maintain that control, if it can, and it surely will. Afghanistan had no conventional army when the US invaded and the Taliban fought conventionally against the US forces. 5000 isn't such a low number to achieve what they did against a much inferior force. I don't think it would be that silly to pull out at all. There are alternative to ending this trouble. As I mentioned, there is the possibility of making deals with the Taliban. There have been no discussions of reaching peaceful settlements nor have there been regional discussions that would seek to bring a situation amicable to Afghanistan and its neighbours. Not a lot to take a country without help from the population is it?Help? Or rather non-involvement wondering what the fuck was going on. Do you think the Americans needed help from the populace, because I don't. They certainly aren't getting now or there might be some hope for an effective COIN strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananaman Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Not a lot to take a country without help from the population is it? That's the whole fucking point! You only read what you want to don't you Lala love Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Elaborate some more on your point then. Do you have evidence that the population helped? I don't discount that they did. The Taliban were awful and the population are no doubt glad to see the back of them and understandably want to see rid of NATO forces now. Afghanistan would never have been much a challenge for the US in 2002, especially with help from the Northern Alliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananaman Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Elaborate s from the Northern Alliance. You answered that one your self. Why it's a clusterfuck now? There are 1 million questions but only 20 million answers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Have you read about this L/Cpl Glenton? I find is strange how servicemen do not recognise that they were not being used for the Government's own ends. That is the purpose of the military. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...oliticians.html The Logistic Corps. Why am I not surprised... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Why do you say that, is that in respect of him being clueless about the military's purpose? Or because of his allegiance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananaman Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Why do you say that, is that in respect of him being clueless about the military's purpose? Or because of his allegiance? Logistics Corps = girly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I don't get either why people harp on about Afghanistan and Iraq as if they are something different from other conflicts in the past that Britain has been involved in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbms Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Have you read about this L/Cpl Glenton? I find is strange how servicemen do not recognise that they were not being used for the Government's own ends. That is the purpose of the military. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...oliticians.html The Logistic Corps. Why am I not surprised... Isn't that what we used to know as the Pioneer corps, If you could read you made lance cpl if you could read and write you made full cpl if you could read, write and do your 12 x table you made sgt and above and if you gained at least 3 O-Levels c and above you gained a commission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollag Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 So its business as usual in Afghanistan, cheats, it seems , do prosper---Eight years on and the best we can do is a corrupt despot, a suitable cause to spend our troops lives on do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 It's no big deal Mollag. No matter who gets in power the country will be under the thumb of western businesses under US direction for a long time to come. It doesn't matter if some people actually voted for one person over another, the result will be that power remains in the hands of the US and to a much lesser extent the UK and other countries. I know it appears so obvious that there is not the slimmest hope for democracy, but it isn't even an issue. These elections are just to create an illusion of Afghani control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluemonday Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Off you go to Afghanistan and jolly well tell them what to do. I'll watch the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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