Stu Peters Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 The words he used were clearly unwise, but the sentiment? I see on the newspapers website a comment 'Maybe I'm being a bit slow here, but does Mr Lowey think that someone Middle Eastern poses a greater threat to security than, say, a Caucasian person? Was that what he meant by his remark? Maybe someone can clarify that for me, because I'm not really getting his joke. ANON' I have no facts to back this up, but I'd have guessed that most if not all the terrorists attempting to blow up aeroplanes, buses, tube trains or airports these days ARE of Middle Eastern or Asian appearance, although I don't suppose I'm allowed to think that either? Similarly, most TV pictures of urban kids in the UK killed by knives or guns show black children - or is it racist to even point that observation out? I have no desire to offend or slight any ethnicity, but surely that doesn't mean NOT stating what appears blindingly obvious - after all, if I'm completely wrong, at least people can understand and challenge what I'm saying without us all having to resort to double-speak. If fat Mancunians were blowing things up, I'd expect them to be called that - and certainly wouldn't be offended by the nomenclature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 If fat Mancunians were blowing things up, I'd expect them to be called that - and certainly wouldn't be offended by the nomenclature. I think you should be offended and insist on "obese" with it's official connotations rather than the common or garden "fat" title. Always happy to help... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theodolite Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Mr Lowey is either: a Senior National Politician for a country competing on the world stage (as I think he sees himself) or he is little more than a councillor on a quasi parish council. His remarks might just possibly be forgivable or rather understandable/ignorable if he were the second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluemonday Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 The words he used were clearly unwise, but the sentiment? I see on the newspapers website a comment 'Maybe I'm being a bit slow here, but does Mr Lowey think that someone Middle Eastern poses a greater threat to security than, say, a Caucasian person? Was that what he meant by his remark? Maybe someone can clarify that for me, because I'm not really getting his joke. ANON' I have no facts to back this up, but I'd have guessed that most if not all the terrorists attempting to blow up aeroplanes, buses, tube trains or airports these days ARE of Middle Eastern or Asian appearance, although I don't suppose I'm allowed to think that either? Similarly, most TV pictures of urban kids in the UK killed by knives or guns show black children - or is it racist to even point that observation out? I have no desire to offend or slight any ethnicity, but surely that doesn't mean NOT stating what appears blindingly obvious - after all, if I'm completely wrong, at least people can understand and challenge what I'm saying without us all having to resort to double-speak. If fat Mancunians were blowing things up, I'd expect them to be called that - and certainly wouldn't be offended by the nomenclature. Strangely enough most, in fact all, of the people of middle eastern appearance I've met were either eye specialists or bankers. Still lets not destroy a stereotype eh? 20 years ago they attempting to blow up aeroplanes, buses, tube trains or airports were all white and had Irish accents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 I have no facts to back this up, but I'd have guessed that most if not all the terrorists attempting to blow up aeroplanes, buses, tube trains or airports these days ARE of Middle Eastern or Asian appearance, although I don't suppose I'm allowed to think that either?I don't think so. It is probably hard to get an idea as to what racial groups conduct more terrorism if this is of interest, certainly plenty of white people are involved in it through government who use the military. The killing of civilians in Afghanistan is terrorism, for example. The US government has been involved in terrorism for a long time - a lot of white people make up the government and military. I know what you are getting at, non state terrorism conducted by Al Qaeda and that Lowey probably had in mind terrorist Muslims. But as BlueMonday points out very well, it is racial stereotyping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knoxville Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 The words he used were clearly unwise, but the sentiment? I see on the newspapers website a comment 'Maybe I'm being a bit slow here, but does Mr Lowey think that someone Middle Eastern poses a greater threat to security than, say, a Caucasian person? Was that what he meant by his remark? Maybe someone can clarify that for me, because I'm not really getting his joke. ANON' I have no facts to back this up, but I'd have guessed that most if not all the terrorists attempting to blow up aeroplanes, buses, tube trains or airports these days ARE of Middle Eastern or Asian appearance, although I don't suppose I'm allowed to think that either? Similarly, most TV pictures of urban kids in the UK killed by knives or guns show black children - or is it racist to even point that observation out? I have no desire to offend or slight any ethnicity, but surely that doesn't mean NOT stating what appears blindingly obvious - after all, if I'm completely wrong, at least people can understand and challenge what I'm saying without us all having to resort to double-speak. If fat Mancunians were blowing things up, I'd expect them to be called that - and certainly wouldn't be offended by the nomenclature. I guess you avoid all Irish people then, just in case there in the IRA..................cock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Mr Lowey is either: a Senior National Politician for a country competing on the world stage (as I think he sees himself) or he is little more than a councillor on a quasi parish council. His remarks might just possibly be forgivable or rather understandable/ignorable if he were the second. Please do not flick our mud at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Well say it was a Japanese terrorist group who for whatever reason were involved in terrorism that hit the US and UK. Do we then start making comments about the suspicions we would have if Asians went near the area, since such Asians could be Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean. Fair enough, most of the Middle East is Muslim, but that doesn't make them terrorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted November 4, 2009 Author Share Posted November 4, 2009 The words he used were clearly unwise, but the sentiment? I see on the newspapers website a comment 'Maybe I'm being a bit slow here, but does Mr Lowey think that someone Middle Eastern poses a greater threat to security than, say, a Caucasian person? Was that what he meant by his remark? Maybe someone can clarify that for me, because I'm not really getting his joke. ANON' I have no facts to back this up, but I'd have guessed that most if not all the terrorists attempting to blow up aeroplanes, buses, tube trains or airports these days ARE of Middle Eastern or Asian appearance, although I don't suppose I'm allowed to think that either? Similarly, most TV pictures of urban kids in the UK killed by knives or guns show black children - or is it racist to even point that observation out? I have no desire to offend or slight any ethnicity, but surely that doesn't mean NOT stating what appears blindingly obvious - after all, if I'm completely wrong, at least people can understand and challenge what I'm saying without us all having to resort to double-speak. If fat Mancunians were blowing things up, I'd expect them to be called that - and certainly wouldn't be offended by the nomenclature. I guess you avoid all Irish people then, just in case there in the IRA..................cock. Or stop and search all black youngsters in case they are going to commit a crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terse Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Well say it was a Japanese terrorist group who for whatever reason were involved in terrorism that hit the US and UK. Do we then start making comments about the suspicions we would have if Asians went near the area, since such Asians could be Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean. Fair enough, most of the Middle East is Muslim, but that doesn't make them terrorists. Are you suggesting that all of those nationalities look the same? Isn't that a bit racist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluemonday Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Ex-IRA men 'helping dissidents' http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8342211.stm Some former Provisional IRA members are helping dissident republican efforts to wreck the peace process, the paramilitary watchdog has said. The Independent Monitoring Commission said the dissident republican threat was the highest for almost six years. Cue 'humorous' Eddie remark about Irish terrorists. Only they're just a few miles away. So silence might be prudent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Well say it was a Japanese terrorist group who for whatever reason were involved in terrorism that hit the US and UK. Do we then start making comments about the suspicions we would have if Asians went near the area, since such Asians could be Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean. Fair enough, most of the Middle East is Muslim, but that doesn't make them terrorists. Are you suggesting that all of those nationalities look the same? Isn't that a bit racist? Is it? I find it hard to tell the difference between a Chinese, Japanese, and Korean person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluemonday Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 A career in the diplomatic service might not be a good idea then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 This is idiotic. Japanese, Chinese and Korean, yes they are all from the same Mongoloid racial group and at far eastern Asian one at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 All of them? What about the mixed race ones? Or the black ones? Or the white ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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