Water Out In Peel?

[Frances]

A bypass is needed or a closure notice to JCK as it is their heavily loaded lorries that now extensively use Ballaquane Rd (with an awkward corner) + that dangerous roundabout with a pedestrian crossing suddenly emerging from the hedge at the Ballawattleworth turn off. Pity is that the junction into Poor Road near the highwayman is not good - possibly yet another roundabout due here (lets hope better designed than the one on the other side of the Ballaquane Rd exit.

[Jimcalagon]

How ever if they had done some research before hand they would have known about it all along.

 

Aren't the advocates paid (handsomely) to do the research for housebuyers? You don't buy a dog and bark yourself.

 

I wonder how many of the residents of that estate took the opportunity to use the developer's offer of free conveyancing with the developer's preferred advocate?

 

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[Jimcalagon]

A bypass is needed or a closure notice to JCK as it is their heavily loaded lorries that now extensively use Ballaquane Rd [...]

 

If the DOT have their way, these same heavily loaded lorries will soon be passing through what is now a quiet residential estate with a high population of families with young children.

[jimbms]

What 20mph home zone is that, if you are talking about the Ballawattleworth there is no traffic regulation order for that zone, it is a ficticious one put in by the developer.

 

Fictitious? The developer put their own speed limit and homezone signs up? Is that not illegal?

 

The problem for the people who live in that estate (of which I am not one) is that they bought a house in a quiet cul-de-sac residential estate with large speed humps and a low speed limit and now they find that the speed humps have been replaced with something much less effective and that the DOT are planning (and planned all along but kept it very quiet) to increase the speed limit and turn it into a major through road with traffic passing about five yards from their front windows.

No it was not illegal as the limit and humps had been put in whilst the road was still under the developers road bond thus not a public highway, the people who bought these houses thinking it was a cul-de-sac can blame their advocate for not doing the search fully as Peel commissioners (note not DoT) have had plans for this road on file for a good while, the DoT have not planned to increase the speed limit in fact the limit for this road has always been 30mph from before it became bonded so in fact it was the developers that introduced a false low limit whilst it was a private road knowing full well the future plans for it.

[Jimcalagon]

So it's Peel Commissioners who are turning Ballawattleworth into a bypass, not the DOT..?

[jimbms]

So it's Peel Commissioners who are turning Ballawattleworth into a bypass, not the DOT..?

You really are a total bufoon, of course the D.o.T. will do the work but the proposal comes from the commissioners and the sceme is passed by Tynwald, the D.o.T. are in effect only a contractor who will design and build if it is passed and as you said before the main fault for resident lies with the Advocates as this proposal was in long before the estate was built so there is no excuse for not knowing if research had been done correctly and/or the scheme had not been mentioned for whatever reason to potential buyers.

[Jimcalagon]

Jim - you need to take a breath.

 

So the whole matter is now cleared up. The fault lies with

 

1. The Developers for putting in a 'fictitious' speed limit

2. The Advocates who didn't find out about the bypass proposal.

3. The Housebuyers for not finding out for themselves about the proposal.

4. The Peel Commissioners who instigated the proposal in the first place.

 

And not with the DOT who were not involved with the design of this road in any way or at any point and are just following orders.

 

Glad that's sorted.

[jimbms]

Jim - you need to take a breath.

 

So the whole matter is now cleared up. The fault lies with

 

1. The Developers for putting in a 'fictitious' speed limit

2. The Advocates who didn't find out about the bypass proposal.

3. The Housebuyers for not finding out for themselves about the proposal.

4. The Peel Commissioners who instigated the proposal in the first place.

 

And not with the DOT who were not involved with the design of this road in any way or at any point and are just following orders.

 

Glad that's sorted.

Quite correct the original Oak Rd was handed over to the developer and since then no design has been done for the through road, to date it is just an option being looked at, also note I never said DoT are not involved in design, any they do is as a subcontractor and how can orders be followed if none have been issued.