Cronky Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 EU reform that sweeps British justice aside Can you imagine being tried in this country for something that is not a crime here? If this sounds like something Kafka might have dreamt up, it is actually a proposal before EU interior ministers that will soon be enshrined in UK law. It is the sort of legislation that, were it going through Parliament, would be exciting a good deal of comment and debate; but because it is being promulgated in the councils of Europe, hardly anyone knows it is happening. The initiative, known as the Transfer of Criminal Proceedings, is the latest in a succession of pan-European reforms designed to speed up extradition, prosecution and conviction of criminals. You might think that is no bad thing – except that how a country organises its system of criminal law and sanction is the very essence of nationhood. and This is indeed novel and far-reaching. It is also the shape of things to come. Another huge programme of reform is about to take place in this area and much of it is to be agreed in the coming weeks. It involves common access to crime databases, common asylum and immigration policies, new human rights laws and an extension of legislation for the protection of children and vulnerable people (as though we have not had enough of all of these already). Much of this is being done with UK acquiescence, even if there are some aspects of the reform programme with which the Government disagrees. Well, we are not a full member of the EU (yet !) but given the dizzying pace of political change these days who knows. Personally, the prospect of having anything to do with an unelected EU super state is just dreadful. Anyone keen on the idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimcalagon Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 What's worse, an unelected EU official or an unelected MLC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 What's worse, an unelected EU official or an unelected MLC? No question about it, the unelected EU official. They usually have good minds, experience in the real world, knowledge, inteligence, and as such can get things done that affect everyone and not just a select few with the right handshake. On the other hand I doubt if any unelected EU officials have experience in sweping chimneys or spinning their CV's to make them look credible at least at first glance. Or faces like smacked arses on top of which they often plonk silly hats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonan3 Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 The public do not establish any of the laws they are subject to. I am therefore no much more bothered whether it is the UK or EU government that imposes them. Do Manx people vote in the EU elections, are you allowed to vote from the Isle of Man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Looks like it has been put together by a uneducated teenager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimcalagon Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 EU reform that sweeps British justice aside Can you imagine being tried in this country for something that is not a crime here? I don't see what the fuss is all about here - it's not something new. The teacher from Peel QEII who is in custody in the UK is accused of something which was committed in the IOM and is not a crime in the IOM (although it should be). However it is a crime under UK legislation. The IOM authorities were pretty quick to send him across to the UK for trial. I didn't hear anyone here complaining about this case. The only difference I can see with the story quoted above is... 1. The accused would not have to be sent to another country for trial. 2. It's the evil EU empire who are proposing it. Typical sensationalist bollocks from the Tory UKIP-Tendency mob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarbunny Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Looks like it has been put together by a uneducated teenager. I could say the same about the majority of your posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollag Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 If the no legislation without representation principle is followed can we forsee being allowed to elect a proportional 1/8 of a MEP, and could any of our present leaders raise their game to that proportion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbms Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Looks like it has been put together by a uneducated teenager. A very accurate uneducated teenager though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Oh yes, definitely, especially with Greater Chechnya and the Albanian Federation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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