grant Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Well I'm having his laptop. But sarah. That would be theft. Oh, hold on though............................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 but on the other hand u dont care if you let a company go bust who in the end have to sack all there workers.Gazza, my perspective is not going to change because a company would go bust. If the problems with an extremely unequal distribution of resources, the means of production, and wealth results in people taking things to eke out a living then the consequences of companies possibly going bust is not a concern. And if comapanies are to spend so much time drumming into the heads of the public that they can, should, or must purchase things they don't actually NEED to do well in life then I accept the ironic outcome of those people getting such goods on the cheap. In any case, like I said, private property is maintained and protected by the government and people will get caught. Shoplifting isn't going to get so bad that companies will go bust. But LDV if there is millions of ppl just like you then that is a real thing that could happin, but chances are you will end up costing the ppl in the world with some repesct for other ppls things more in the long run. and with that statment you dont care about anyone but yourself, all that dribble you wrote about the stikes does not count, because you would rob the company blind which could cost them there jobs in the long run. answer me this , and im not talking the piss would you walk into a car sales room ask for a test drive and just nick the car because you dont think its theft !!!. If not why not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted November 11, 2009 Author Share Posted November 11, 2009 No Gazza, if millions agreed and wanted to shoplift it would not businesses going bust because all things being equal there would be even greater store security, police involvement, and harsher sentences. Though I don't know why you mention respect when in so many ways the majority of people are in a situation where they are disrespected. would you walk into a car sales room ask for a test drive and just nick the car because you dont think its theft !!!.Absolutely not. I'd get caught. Can you imagine how it would play out in some high speed chase: I don't drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 No Gazza, if millions agreed and wanted to shoplift it would not businesses going bust because all things being equal there would be even greater store security, police involvement, and harsher sentences. Though I don't know why you mention respect when in so many ways the majority of people are in a situation where they are disrespected. would you walk into a car sales room ask for a test drive and just nick the car because you dont think its theft !!!.Absolutely not. I'd get caught. Can you imagine how it would play out in some high speed chase: I don't drive. All animals are created equal but ----. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 No Gazza, if millions agreed and wanted to shoplift it would not businesses going bust because all things being equal there would be even greater store security, police involvement, and harsher sentences. Though I don't know why you mention respect when in so many ways the majority of people are in a situation where they are disrespected. would you walk into a car sales room ask for a test drive and just nick the car because you dont think its theft !!!.Absolutely not. I'd get caught. Can you imagine how it would play out in some high speed chase: I don't drive. and that would make the goods more expensive then, so you would make it worse and cost ppl more cash who in the end may not be able to afford that item anymore with a 20% increase in cost to the buyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted November 11, 2009 Author Share Posted November 11, 2009 Yes Gazza, it would be very bad. But that is the price we would seem to pay for our acceptance of the status quo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
When Skies Are Grey Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 If you are in a position where you HAVE to steal food then society is fucked. If you are simply stealing a Wii for Chaveny's Xmas present becacuse you cant afford to buy one, the society deserves to fuck you LDV, you are well wide of the mark on this one.....an increasingly common trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted November 11, 2009 Author Share Posted November 11, 2009 Those who resort to shoplifting TEND to be those who have been fucked by society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Those who resort to shoplifting TEND to be those who have been fucked by society. define fucked by society, because in your world that means everyone is if thay have to pay for things, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbms Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Those who resort to shoplifting TEND to be those who have fucked up decent society. corrected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxy Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Ownership of property is NOT always as a result of earlier theft on by the present owner. Theft is always theft.But private property IS theft. And it's not theft when you cannot recognise claims to ownership. It is from your perspective, not mine. LDV, I'm rattling my noodles trying to understand this and would appreciate what you mean please. Private property is theft. Why? And it's not theft when you cannot recognise claims to ownership This is the part that I cannot get to grips with...? From an old post of mine in August 2008 A moral tale: The Squirrel & The Grasshopper The real world version The squirrel works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building and improving his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The Grasshopper thinks he's a fool, and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the squirrel is warm and well fed. The shivering grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold. The politically correct version The squirrel works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks he's a fool, and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the squirrel is warm and well fed. A social worker finds the shivering grasshopper, calls a press conference and demands to know why the squirrel should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others less fortunate, like the grasshopper, are cold and starving. The BBC shows up to provide live coverage of the shivering grasshopper; with cuts to a video of the squirrel in his comfortable warm home with a table laden with food. The British press informs people that they should be ashamed that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so while others have plenty. The Labour Party, Greenpeace, Animal Rights and The Grasshopper Council of GB demonstrate in front of the squirrel's house. The BBC, interrupting a cultural festival special from Notting Hill with breaking news, broadcasts a multi cultural choir singing "We Shall Overcome". Ken Livingstone rants in an interview with Trevor McDonald that the squirrel has gotten rich off the backs of grasshoppers, and calls for an immediate tax hike on the squirrel to make him pay his "fair share" and increases the charge for squirrels to enter Inner London. In response to pressure from the media, the Government drafts the Economic Equity and Grasshopper Anti Discrimination Act, retroactive to the beginning of the summer. The squirrel's taxes are reassessed. He is taken to court and fined for failing to hire grasshoppers as builders for the work he was doing on his home and an additional fine for contempt when he told the court the grasshopper did not want to work. The grasshopper is provided with a council house, financial aid to furnish it and an account with a local taxi firm to ensure he can be socially mobile. The squirrel's food is seized and re distributed to the more needy members of society, in this case the grasshopper. Without enough money to buy more food, to pay the fine and his newly imposed retroactive taxes, the squirrel has to downsize and start building a new home. The local authority takes over his old home and utilises it as a temporary home for asylum seeking cats who had hijacked a plane to get to Britain as they had to share their country of origin with mice. On arrival they tried to blow up the airport because of Britain's apparent love of dogs. The cats had been arrested for the international offence of hijacking and attempted bombing but were immediately released because the police fed them pilchards instead of salmon whilst in custody. Initial moves to then return them to their own country were abandoned because it was feared they would face death by the mice. The cats devise and start a scam to obtain money from peoples credit cards. A Panorama special shows the grasshopper finishing up the last of the squirrel's food, though spring is still months away, while the council house he is in crumbles around him because he hasn't bothered to maintain the house. He is shown to be taking drugs. Inadequate government funding is blamed for the grasshopper's drug 'illness'. The cats seek recompense in the British courts for their treatment since arrival in the UK. The grasshopper gets arrested for stabbing an old dog during a burglary to get money for his drugs habit. He is imprisoned but released immediately because he has been in custody for a few weeks. He is placed in the care of the probation service to monitor and supervise him. Within a few weeks he has killed a guinea pig in a botched robbery. A commission of enquiry, that will eventually cost £10,000,000 and state the obvious, is set up. Additional money is put into funding a drug rehabilitation scheme for grasshoppers and legal aid for lawyers representing asylum seekers is increased. The asylum seeking cats are praised by the government for enriching Britain's multicultural diversity and dogs are criticised by the government for failing to befriend the cats. The grasshopper dies of a drug overdose. The usual sections of the press blame it on the obvious failure of government to address the root causes of despair arising from social inequity and his traumatic experience of prison. They call for the resignation of a minister. The cats are paid a million pounds each because their rights were infringed when the government failed to inform them there were mice in the United Kingdom. The squirrel, the dogs and the victims of the hijacking, the bombing, the burglaries and robberies have to pay an additional percentage on their credit cards to cover losses, their taxes are increased to pay for law and order and they are told that they will have to work beyond 65 because of a shortfall in government funds. Oh and the Squirrel? He moved abroad to a more sensible country! ----------------------------- The above is an old story and at the time, if certain words were changed it would apparently be true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Roo Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Those who resort to shoplifting TEND to be those who have been fucked by society. You TEND to be generalising! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Ownership of property is NOT always as a result of earlier theft on by the present owner. Theft is always theft.But private property IS theft. And it's not theft when you cannot recognise claims to ownership. It is from your perspective, not mine. Private property is theft. Why? "All property is theft" is a very old anarchist saying. I can't remember where from but I think it relates to the usual "if 10% of the population have 90% of the wealth then the remaining 90% of the population can't have equality etc etc so the state should own all the property because it all belongs to all the people of the country and not individuals etc etc otherwise the 10% have possess the 90%'s liberty". Or something. Like I said, it's a very old ideal. I hope you get the idea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitch Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Those who resort to shoplifting TEND to be those who have been fucked by society. What are your views on armed robbery? I can't afford a gun but can get hold of a sharp implement or club of some sort. Me and the missus are feeling the pinch a little bit and with Xmas coming up I may even have to cut down on the fags to save a bit of dosh. Robbery/shoplifting is my only hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 What are your views on armed robbery? I can't afford a gun but can get hold of a sharp implement or club of some sort. Me and the missus are feeling the pinch a little bit and with Xmas coming up I may even have to cut down on the fags to save a bit of dosh. Robbery/shoplifting is my only hope. No worries - you'll still go down for armed robbery even if you're only armed with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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