manxfisherman Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, Zarley said: What's the backstory on this? It seems the old guy is being turfed out by the bouncers, but why? The old guy is the former top dog Hu Jintao, and he's been purged. He'll likely never be seen again. That look between Hu and Xi is absolutely savage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesemonster2005 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 On 10/23/2022 at 8:35 PM, manxfisherman said: The old guy is the former top dog Hu Jintao, and he's been purged. He'll likely never be seen again. That look between Hu and Xi is absolutely savage. Not clear whether he has been purged. The "official" position was that he had health issues. The fact that they removed him publicly is odd and suggests that it might just be true. If they'd wanted to purge him, they would have done so behind the scenes. Purging may also be done to make a point to anyone else who could be considered a threat but this video was only seen internationally (local broadcasts hadn't started at that point) and this footage is taken from the Taiwanese feed (unsurprisingly they feel the need to cover these things). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 53 minutes ago, cheesemonster2005 said: Not clear whether he has been purged. The "official" position was that he had health issues. The fact that they removed him publicly is odd and suggests that it might just be true. If they'd wanted to purge him, they would have done so behind the scenes. Purging may also be done to make a point to anyone else who could be considered a threat but this video was only seen internationally (local broadcasts hadn't started at that point) and this footage is taken from the Taiwanese feed (unsurprisingly they feel the need to cover these things). If he was unwell then why was he there in the first place? Why hadn't they stopped him entering? Much more likely is that this was intended to disrespect Hu and undermine his position. Given that Hu doesn't normally appear much on TV in China it may be that we simply hear that his illness worsened and he passed away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Public shaming and humiliation in China is a fate worse than death. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted October 28, 2022 Author Share Posted October 28, 2022 The most coherent explanation I've seen is a mix of the Hu illness & the Xi humiliating his predecessor stories. It states Hu is suffering from dementia but Xi wanted him around to validate his coronation. However Hu wasn't able to follow Xi's exacting requirements. For some reason no one was meant to open their files before Xi had finished his big speech but Hu could remember/comprehend these instructions. The Party member sitting to his left hand been given the task of ensuring Hu behaved but he couldn't stop him fiddling with his file ... There are photos of him getting increasingly nervous as he fails in his job of minding Hu. After this has gone on for a bit Xi goes enough is enough and a flunky is beckoned over who then removes Hu, who clearly is clueless as to why he's being removed. Learning points: Hu is in steep decline. Xi is a control freak. Only the former is really new information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 On 10/28/2022 at 12:58 PM, quilp said: Public shaming and humiliation in China is a fate worse than death. Many years ago our landlord was an elderly Chinese gentleman who grew up in a small village. Every family raised a few pigs and the village held an annual parade to show off each family's best pig born that year. My landlord's family had been the "best pig" winner for many years but one year something went wrong and they had the village runt. This would have been an unfathomable shaming and extreme "loss of face" for the entire extended family for an entire year. My landlord's uncle came to his family's rescue. He gathered all the savings he could from various family members and travelled on his bicycle the day before the parade to a village miles away. There he purchased the largest carp he could find. Upon returning home, he strapped the carp onto the back of their rather paltry pig and the family went to the parade. They again came in first and so the family "saved face". It didn't matter that the family's saving were gone, what mattered was that they ingeniously saved face with an expensive carp and weren't treated as pariahs for a year. He told me this story one day while collecting the rent. He'd brought a gift for our toddler - a poster for her room of a fat cherubic baby riding a carp. It represented good luck and prosperity, and he told me the story to illustrate just what having a carp handy can do for ones reputation. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 Great tale. Japanese culture has similar social mores. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted October 30, 2022 Author Share Posted October 30, 2022 On 10/28/2022 at 11:27 PM, Chinahand said: The most coherent explanation I've seen is a mix of the Hu illness & the Xi humiliating his predecessor stories. It states Hu is suffering from dementia but Xi wanted him around to validate his coronation. However Hu wasn't able to follow Xi's exacting requirements. For some reason no one was meant to open their files before Xi had finished his big speech but Hu could remember/comprehend these instructions. The Party member sitting to his left hand been given the task of ensuring Hu behaved but he couldn't stop him fiddling with his file ... There are photos of him getting increasingly nervous as he fails in his job of minding Hu. After this has gone on for a bit Xi goes enough is enough and a flunky is beckoned over who then removes Hu, who clearly is clueless as to why he's being removed. Learning points: Hu is in steep decline. Xi is a control freak. Only the former is really new information. Here's the Wall Street Journal's take: https://t.co/bZFBpak7nk 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 The U.S. has shot down the Chinese "spy" balloon, waiting until it was over US South Carolina territorial waters for safety before doing so. China's reaction awaited. Apparently a second such balloon is also floating around over South America as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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slinkydevil Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 38 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Boom! Full of the next pandemic bug drifting down over America. Of course the Americans would shoot it down 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 Latest is that the US managed to shoot down the balloon over water that only had a depth of 40ft, most convenient for recovery of a payload reportedly the size of 3 buses. They are already convinced that it was doing more than monitoring weather so assuming that what will be an all-too-brief immersion doesn't do too much damage there should be a wealth of information to be gained from examination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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