Netto Join The Walmart Tribe

[jimbms]

How many crap stores does Walmart want? Asda buys Netto

[slinkydevil]

How many crap stores does Walmart want? Asda buys Netto

 

Not want, but rather get rid of. It's a good buy for them, opening up 193 new stores to become Asda without having to source those sites.

[Rog]

Nothing wrong with Asda.

 

In fact for some stuff, especially fresh fish and meat where the Asda’s round here knock spots off the Big Boys. Their own brand stuff’s pretty good as well.

 

For us it’s Asda for the common or garden things and Waitrose for the extra’s.

 

My guess is that if there was an Asda, let alone a Lidl or Aldi on the Island then Tesco, let alone the rest of the retail outlets, would really feel a breeze.

 

Asda are very good indeed at selling goods from local sources.

[jimbms]

Nothing wrong with Asda.

 

In fact for some stuff, especially fresh fish and meat where the Asda's round here knock spots off the Big Boys. Their own brand stuff's pretty good as well.

 

For us it's Asda for the common or garden things and Waitrose for the extra's.

 

My guess is that if there was an Asda, let alone a Lidl or Aldi on the Island then Tesco, let alone the rest of the retail outlets, would really feel a breeze.

 

Asda are very good indeed at selling goods from local sources.

 

Walmart are also very good at going into areas and pricing all competition out of the market and then increasing prices, they have decimated the number of communities and small shops in towns across America and are hoping to do the same in the UK, let's hope we don't get them here, there are enough monopolies as it is. When you go to the factor of using local produce you do not add to the fact that when they have priced all other shops out of the market they then pay local producers rock bottom prices, force them into signing exclusivity contracts and have a very low exceptable standard of quality from them. In short they care only about profit and don't give a shit how many communities they destroy for it.

 

You may have little regard for your community but I have and for that reason would become active in trying to prevent them coming here.

 

Walmart destroy's small businesses

Walmart destroy's communities

[Rog]

Well that’s not what we’ve seen in both Great Yarmouth where there are ASDA stores as well as Lidl, Aldi Tesco’s, Sainsbury’s, and even a Morrison’s and all serving a population of around 67,000 people.

 

There’s also a number of independent traders including fresh fruit and veg, ‘wet’ fish, bakers, assorted other places doing assorted things, and a very good market each Wednesday that local farmers sell their stuff on.

 

In our experience the fresh fruit and veg from Asda is not only less expensive than Tesco and especially so in the case of Sainsbury’s, it’s also better quality.

 

The local traders provide the best of all though. They’ve dealt with competition from the big Boys by delivering quality and at a price that is competitive by not dealing with the “Tibetan Minge Fruit” sort of stuff, and stayed with the fruit in season or readily available from the wholesale markets and it’s wonderful.

 

For me the bench mark is at Christmas and oranges. Try to buy Satsumas from the big Supermarket chains and you get bitter little horrors, buy Satsumas from the local greengrocers, or on the Market and you get a totally different thing. Same with oranges. The Shamouti (Jaffa) from the supermarkets sold as “class 1” are like Seville oranges compared to the huge thick skinned intensly sweet things we buy from local traders.

 

Competition can be a good thing for consumers as long as the traders who come under pressure from the Big Boys fight back not on the big boys turf, but instead on their own turf and that is quality. The Supermarkets can’t concentrate on the best quality, they have to go for quantity. The traders don’t.

 

What’s more they can cooperate with each other as is done around here where one guy will go to a wholesale market and buy for half a dozen traders who in retail terms are his competition but from a survival perspective are his partners.

 

Maybe there’s a lesson to be learned from that by some Manx retailers. Cooperate on procurement, compete at the point of sale.

[jimbms]

I take it you couldn't be arsed to read the links, ok you be happy in your ideal little bubble until the day you wake up and find all choice is gone.

[Rog]

I take it you couldn't be arsed to read the links, ok you be happy in your ideal little bubble until the day you wake up and find all choice is gone.

 

I read the links but noted they were about the experiences in the US. The towns in the US differ considerably from those in the UK as do the shops.

 

What's more rather than the choice being gone it's actually expanded as local traders now have to compete, and since they can't compete on price they compete on quality, and the effect has been great.

 

We now get the best of both worlds. Run of the mill stuff we get from Asda or Tesco, while for REAL quality we go to local traders.

 

For example there’s a butchers about five miles from us who sell the best meat that I’ve had anywhere and at a price comparable with the good stuff from Asda, Sainsbury’s, and Tesco but with quality that surpasses the lot of them. What’s more with a little bit of notice we can get those things the Big Boys just don’t sell.

 

Then there’s the farm shop outlets. Free range and fresh eggs, locally bred and slaughtered meat, local delicatessen produce, OK not the exotic salamis but wonderful smoked hams and bacon, specialist sausages, local “Jerky”, farm made butter, “boxes” delivered locally of fruit and veg in season, and all delivering into a market with all the big supermarkets serving it as well but unable to provide those things the local traders can.

 

Competition isn’t only about price.

 

It’s about small traders getting their ducks in a row, working together in the supply chain but in competition on the sales side, and trading in a market in which they are better positioned to deliver in to than the “sheds”.

 

Maybe that’s why the Manx local traders are so scared, or maybe it’s just laziness, because to exploit the opportunities that the arrival of the Big Boys bring there’s a need to get off their arses, work at it, and target their sales sector. What a shock it would be for people to no longer be told what they can have, but instead how soon they can have what they WANT.

[Max Power]

'Don't you get it kids? You'll never beat the Wallmart, it sees and hears everything!'

 

South Park.

[jimbms]

'Don't you get it kids? You'll never beat the Wallmart, it sees and hears everything!'

 

South Park.

 

Never a truer word spoken in jest

[Rog]

The IOM NEEDS an Asda and a few more of the Big Boys besides. The local traders need a boot up their backsides to make them deliver good quality and not the lowest they can get away with.

 

A trader who competes on quality and service will beat the big Boys every time.

[jimbms]

You don't live here you buffoon so how can you have the right to tell us what we need.

[Rog]

You don't live here you buffoon so how can you have the right to tell us what we need.

 

Maybe because I've (RECENTLY seen how local traders are taking the public for a ride when the public deserve so much better.

 

Manx local traders need a kick in the pants to deliver quality. Not just quality goods (though heaven knows there's vast room for improvement there) but also quality in terms of choice and service.

 

The Big Boys deliver reasonable choice and reasonable quality and although they can drive prices into the ground they simply can't afford to drive quality into the sky. THAT is where local traders can compete if they are willing to get their act together and work at it.

 

Believe me, Joe Public on the isle of man NEEDS the big boys to come over. It will be to the benefit of the public if they do and if local traders imply shut up shop because they're not getting the trade instead of going out and creating a market sector that they then supply then shame on them.

[jimbms]

As I said, you don't live here so please keep your opinions to what you actually know rather than what you get second hand and let us who do live here decide what we want, we have enough problems with the UK government sticking their beaks in and interfering where not it's wanted, we don't need its non indigenous bigoted section of it's population joining in.

[Rog]

As I said, you don't live here so please keep your opinions to what you actually know rather than what you get second hand and let us who do live here decide what we want, we have enough problems with the UK government sticking their beaks in and interfering where not it's wanted, we don't need its non indigenous bigoted section of it's population joining in.

 

How about those who have seen how things could be significantly improved in their homeland? And who have first hand knowledge that is seldom more than a handful of weeks out of date?

 

You wouldn't happen to be one of the small traders, or be associated with one, who would have to get off their backsides and provide a modern service to what would otherwise remain a "soft" customer base would you?

[jimbms]

As I said, you don't live here so please keep your opinions to what you actually know rather than what you get second hand and let us who do live here decide what we want, we have enough problems with the UK government sticking their beaks in and interfering where not it's wanted, we don't need its non indigenous bigoted section of it's population joining in.

 

How about those who have seen how things could be significantly improved in their homeland? And who have first hand knowledge that is seldom more than a handful of weeks out of date?

 

You wouldn't happen to be one of the small traders, or be associated with one, who would have to get off their backsides and provide a modern service to what would otherwise remain a "soft" customer base would you?

 

No I have nothing to do with any of the traders but I have for years seen the decimation of rural communities in the UK due to these large corporate bodies and also seen many farmers etc go under because of the bully boy tactics the force on them after conning them with exclusivity contracts and I for one would hate to see this happen here, yes our local traders do need to wake up but I would rather it be via other local traders forcing them than having our community destroyed by some American bullyboy multinational who care little about community so long as the can force their substandard products on the masses, I refused to use them when I was in the UK so I certainly won't now, like I said you stick to where you live and let us decide what we want, you may become our sexual advisor, in other words when we want your fucking advice we will ask for it.