Popes Visit

[- Paul -]

Football?

X Factor?

[spook]

if God exists he is ok

Why do you think he would be 'ok' if he exists? I don't think he would be. He sounds like a complete dick.

 

Jesus was circumcised.

 

So the whole of The Trinity can't be called a complete dick.

[Moghrey Mie]

Pope Benedict XV has arrived in Britain brandishing an outspoken anti-secular message sure to further anger his opponents. In a speech outside Holyrood House, the Pope warned against "aggressive forms of secularism" and "atheist extremism". The comments had strong overtones of those which came from his advisor, Cardinal Walter Kasper, who stepped out of the trip yesterday after a German magazine quoted him saying the UK was in the grip of "a new and aggressive atheism".

 

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/legal-and-constitutional/pope-arrives-in-britain-warning-of-atheist-extremism--$21383924.htm

 

 

Strange how atheists are branded aggressive as soon as they open their mouths and begin to speak rationally.

[ballaughbiker]

Not strange MM but just a useful tactic used by a self appointed group who are on the back foot. Atheists on the other hand are not a group (unless it suits your argument of course).

[Chinahand]

Whenever the Pope goes on about religion being marginalized in society - link - I have to wonder whether the real issue is the fact that the people today simply reject the Catholic Church's, and other religions', attitudes towards gays, women, contraception etc.

 

It isn't that religion has had its voice silenced - quite the opposite; they get mass media coverage, seats in the house of Lords, daily broadcasts on Radio etc. Rather people question why a religion which has such a discriminatory agenda should have such a prominent place in public life.

 

The Church doesn't like that and is insisting it be "respected" - which is basically a demand that it be able to enforce its discriminatory attitudes on wider society. In a democracy I really have to question that.

 

The pope's dog whistling about a secular society squeezing out religion has an awful lot to do with Catholic anger about legislation being brought in which stops the Catholic church discriminating against gays.

 

The Church is profoundly discriminatory over women's rights, divorce, access to contraception and abortion; and often when a country liberalizes the Church fights to stop laws granting these rights to the wider population - witness the Churches opposition to divorce laws in Ireland, or abortion provision in Spain. If Catholics don't want to get divorced or use contraceptives or have access to abortion provisions that is there right, but to stop all such provision for everyone is dictatorial and in my mind coercive.

 

The Catholic church lies about the efficacy of condoms in protecting people against aids and its policies are directly responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths. I feel that is a moral evil and see no reason why secular society should respect such attitudes.

 

I really question why Catholic and other religious discrimination has to be respected.

 

If a group of celebate men wish to enforce their sexual and discriminatory attitudes on others, well they are welcome to try and do it democratically but they have to accept the result if a democracy rejects them - they can't then plead their attitudes have to be respected and given a special place above criticism or democratic policy.

 

Why should we have to respect discrimination? Religions can attempt to enforce their attitudes on people who follow them, but I find it incredible to hear the pope demanding wider "respect" for his attitudes - that respect has to be won on merit and not enforced by relgious dictat.

[spook]

Whenever the Pope goes on about religion being marginalized in society - link - I have to wonder whether the real issue is the fact that the people today simply reject the Catholic Church's, and other religions', attitudes towards gays, women, contraception etc.

 

It isn't that religion has had its voice silenced - quite the opposite; they get mass media coverage, seats in the house of Lords, daily broadcasts on Radio etc. Rather people question why a religion which has such a discriminatory agenda should have such a prominent place in public life.

 

What you may find strange is that I agree with so very much of what you say. Especially about the RC attitude towards secular life.

 

As a Christian I am appalled at an organisation demanding of people that they should obey The Lords demands, it takes away the relationship with God by choice, and replaces it by demanding a relationship out of fear of the consequences of what the RC believe they have the right to impose.

 

To a Christian the very idea that a man, any man, has the authority to deny him salvation is appalling not to say heretical.

 

The place for “Churchmen” having a place in government out of nothing more than their man given place in a man created “holy” organisation is also appalling.

 

The place for The Lord in the governing of a nation is in the heart of the men appointed by the population to govern, not by the imposition of a bunch of men simply because of their status in a man created allegedly spiritually guided body.

 

 

The Church doesn't like that and is insisting it be "respected" - which is basically a demand that it be able to enforce its discriminatory attitudes on wider society. In a democracy I really have to question that.

 

The pope's dog whistling about a secular society squeezing out religion has an awful lot to do with Catholic anger about legislation being brought in which stops the Catholic church discriminating against gays.

 

I think the issue goes further than that. I think its much more about POWER. In times past nation states were governed by two forces. The rulers from amongst the people either by election, selection, or brute force, and the other the demands and influence via the Church from dictat by popes.

 

I believe that the vatican want to get their unchristian hands around the nation states once again and are playing the FALSE claim that they are in some way representative of Christianity in order to do this.

 

The Church is profoundly discriminatory over women's rights, divorce, access to contraception and abortion; and often when a country liberalizes the Church fights to stop laws granting these rights to the wider population - witness the Churches opposition to divorce laws in Ireland, or abortion provision in Spain. If Catholics don't want to get divorced or use contraceptives or have access to abortion provisions that is there right, but to stop all such provision for everyone is dictatorial and in my mind coercive.

 

The Catholic church lies about the efficacy of condoms in protecting people against aids and its policies are directly responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths. I feel that is a moral evil and see no reason why secular society should respect such attitudes.

 

I really question why Catholic and other religious discrimination has to be respected.

 

I agree. Especially where so much of the demands by the RC church has no scriptural basis.

 

If a group of celebate men wish to enforce their sexual and discriminatory attitudes on others, well they are welcome to try and do it democratically but they have to accept the result if a democracy rejects them - they can't then plead their attitudes have to be respected and given a special place above criticism or democratic policy.

 

Why should we have to respect discrimination? Religions can attempt to enforce their attitudes on people who follow them, but I find it incredible to hear the pope demanding wider "respect" for his attitudes - that respect has to be won on merit and not enforced by relgious dictat.

 

But then, the RC church and particularly the vatican isn’t Christian.

 

It is an orginisation that abuses Christianity in order to enforce its authority and power over people.

[P.K.]

Whenever the Pope goes on about religion being marginalized in society - link - I have to wonder whether the real issue is the fact that the people today simply reject the Catholic Church's, and other religions', attitudes towards gays, women, contraception etc.

 

That would be my call as well Mr C. The Catholic Church take on barrier contraception is a complete and utter nonsense and bizarre in the modern world. It was explained to me that as there is no bonking allowed outside of wedlock there is no requirement for contraception. I nearly fell off my bar stool. It's ignorance based on deliberately pretending that the blindingly obvious doesn't exist. The blindingly obvious being that their parishioners are dying by their thousands from a sexually transmitted disease.

 

Which is, of course, God's punishment...

[jimbms]

Whenever the Pope goes on about religion being marginalized in society - link - I have to wonder whether the real issue is the fact that the people today simply reject the Catholic Church's, and other religions', attitudes towards gays, women, contraception etc.

 

That would be my call as well Mr C. The Catholic Church take on barrier contraception is a complete and utter nonsense and bizarre in the modern world. It was explained to me that as there is no bonking allowed outside of wedlock there is no requirement for contraception. I nearly fell off my bar stool. It's ignorance based on deliberately pretending that the blindingly obvious doesn't exist. The blindingly obvious being that their parishioners are dying by their thousands from a sexually transmitted disease.

 

Which is, of course, God's punishment...

This is what I cannot understand and what proves to me that god does not exist, if he did and he punishes such sinners then what the fuck am I still doing alive.

[mæŋksmən]

anyone else just hear that lightening bolt, hey jimbo, you hear that, jimbo,,,,,,,,jiiimmmboo.

[mæŋksmən]

Truth is only a nugget would deny god,

 

Best say nowt just incase, hedge your bets.

 

I mean i aint bein funny or nuthin but eternity is a long time you know.

[Chinahand]

My goodness the Pope has distorted history when he blames secularism for the Nazis.

 

This links to a Catholic election poster telling Catholics to vote for Hitler.

 

Why is a Catholic obliged to vote for the parliamentary list of Adolf Hitler? Because in the National Socialist state intrinsically and through the Reichskonkordat

 

1. the Faith is protected,

 

2. peace with the Church is assured,

 

3. public morality is preserved,

 

4. Sunday is hallowed,

 

5. Catholic schools are maintained,

 

6. the Catholic conscience is no longer burdened,

 

7. a Catholic has equal rights before the law and in the life of the nation,

 

8. Catholic organisations and associations, insofar as they exclusively serve religious, charitable and cultural purposes, can operate freely.

 

Therefore a Catholic is obliged on 12 November [1933] to vote thus:

 

Referendum: yes

 

Parliamentary election: Adolf Hitler

[- Paul -]

God Wins Law

[La_Dolce_Vita]

Truth is only a nugget would deny god,

 

Best say nowt just incase, hedge your bets.

 

I mean i aint bein funny or nuthin but eternity is a long time you know.

What? Hedging your bets is a very stupid idea.

[mæŋksmən]

Look something created the big bang, everything that exists came into existence in a millisecond, pooooooooooooooooooooooooooooof {no pun intended}.

 

Something created it, and when you can tell me what, then i will stop hedging my bets.

[La_Dolce_Vita]

How do you know that SOMETHING 'created' the big bang? Or as I would put it, what makes you think that something made the Big Bang happen?

 

As for hedging your bets, what does have to do with anything? Hedging your bets against what?