Cambon Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Sure it affects everybody. So I'll explain how it furthers the imbalance. Those at the top can afford it. Those at the bottom can't. You ignorant prick... You are totally and utterly wrong. Life's essentials are not taxed with VAT. Therefore the people genuinely at the bottom are not paying it at all. So basically it is a tax on the rich. Or to give VAT it's original name Luxury Tax. If you omit luxuries, you pay no tax. You choose. How much more fair can you get? Half wit. No, actually scratch that. You are not a half wit, you are totally at your wit's end!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In fact . . . Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Mr Bell has met him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 You are totally and utterly wrong. Life's essentials are not taxed with VAT. Therefore the people genuinely at the bottom are not paying it at all. So basically it is a tax on the rich. Or to give VAT it's original name Luxury Tax. If you omit luxuries, you pay no tax. You choose. How much more fair can you get? Half wit. No, actually scratch that. You are not a half wit, you are totally at your wit's end!!! I rarely, if ever, resort to pathetic name-calling such as in "You ignorant prick". I try to rely on balanced argument based on stated facts. But sometimes, no matter how much supportive evidence you produce, as in the Institute For Fiscal Studies report on the Osborne budget, some complete and utter prats on here just ignore what's actually the proven facts because it simply doesn't fit in with their narrow, bigoted, tiny-minded view of the world around them. What to do then? I mean, how to express myself at their deliberately obtuse and deliberately ignorant take on the facts they simply need to ignore? So I consider myself very fortunate indeed in that Cambon has totally justified my use of the words "You ignorant prick...". Many thanks for that Cambon! Ignorant prick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Runner Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Mr Bell has met him OMG "Tony Brown and Anne Craine to attend Conservative Party Conference" Without Bell? Hope to god they don't tell everyone how well the Island is doing i.e. not in recession or ever been in recession. Mr Brown would not be that daft to brag, would he? Oh hold on that sounds farmiliar............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triskelion Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Indirect taxes and VAT fall as a percentage of income as you get paid more. The things rich people tend to spend their money on (foreign holidays, private education, private healthcare) are not VAT-able. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Triskelion, where did you get the data for your graph from - got a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinkydevil Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Triskelion, where did you get the data for your graph from - got a link? If you check the properties the graph image is directly linked from our friend Richard Murphy's site http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 The top 20% of UK households get 15 times more than the bottom 20%. Disgraceful in a modern society. Erm PK That is before TAX and benefits!!! After Tax and Benefits is only 4 times. That is a huge redistribution. Sorry but a 4 times difference between the poorest quintile and the richest is not such a difference. Only the 4th and 5th quintiles make positive tax contributions - the 1st, 2nd and 3rd quintiles get more in benefits than they do in tax. The "evidence" you have put up in my mind totally nullifies your argument. The UK is a very redistributive state where even the middle quintile - the classic white van man, sole trade, petty bourgeoisie entreurpeneur is a net benefit recipient. To have Milliband saying he was going to increase support for this group - and further tax the higher quartiles to do it - shows the dangers of a dependency state. The third quartile has to contribute to state finances and be economically productive. Labour has made them dependent - that's wrong. P.K. - Just a reminder of how "unfair" the tax system is to the poorest - including one of your own posts, if you read back your own links properly you will see. You can read can't you? As for me being a prick. I think your monica is a lot closer - as it your attitude! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 P.K. - Just a reminder of how "unfair" the tax system is to the poorest - including one of your own posts, if you read back your own links properly you will see. You can read can't you? As for me being a prick. I think your monica is a lot closer - as it your attitude! Who cares what you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Who cares what you think? Dummy and rattle out of pram? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Not at all. "The scum that Thatcher spawned" are well named... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terse Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 some complete and utter prats on here just ignore what's actually the proven facts because it simply doesn't fit in with their narrow, bigoted, tiny-minded view of the world around them. font] A very long-winded way of saying 'Tories.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Not at all. "The scum that Thatcher spawned" are well named... You are Arthur Scargill, and I claim my £10. After 13 years of labour rule, the country is £1,000,000,000,000 is debt. That is more than 2.5 times more than the debt was when they took over. Due to this massive overspending and handouts to the "work shy" by that bunch of assholes, most of whom have disappeared into the woodwork over the last few months, having known what they have done, someone has to pick up the pieces. And, the answer as to who will pay is EVERYBODY, as everybody always has to pay after the Reds have been in power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terse Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 the answer as to who will pay is the poor, as they always have to pay when the Tories are in power. Edited for truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 the answer as to who will pay is the poor, as they always have to pay when the Tories are in power. Edited for truth. Oh look, another LOONY LEFTY. Labour have had the poor paying through the nose for the last 13 years. They have just been delaying your repayment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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