finlo Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 48 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: I suspect that Tesco may be taking things into their own hands (outwith MIC and GL) and so for white goods, for example, Tesco may have the supplier/manufacturers and or their own distribution centres containerize the goods and ship them via Mezeron. If they can get cheaper rates with Mezeron than IOMSPCo then they would be stupid not to use them. I can't see Tesco risking food shipments with Mezeron. At least they know there is a regular/scheduled service with IOMSPCo. Mezeron sail when the match blows out the steam packet don't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Andy Onchan said: I suspect that Tesco may be taking things into their own hands (outwith MIC and GL) and so for white goods, for example, Tesco may have the supplier/manufacturers and or their own distribution centres containerize the goods and ship them via Mezeron. If they can get cheaper rates with Mezeron than IOMSPCo then they would be stupid not to use them. I can't see Tesco risking food shipments with Mezeron. At least they know there is a regular/scheduled service with IOMSPCo. However the amount of white goods might only be a container once or twice a week. Maximum. Wouldn’t justify Mezeron chartering a new boat. Mezeron can, and do, sail to a schedule. As long as the perishables can be shipped in ambient chill containers, and arrive by 6am, that’s no different to SPCo. And now that Tesco have the warehouse down by the Power Station they’ve much more flexibility for dry goods, which is most of what Tesco ( and Shoprite ) sell. And, if Stobart owned WS Mezeron didn’t explore whether it could offer an integrated service with its parent’s land based operations for Tesco, there’d be something wrong in their commercial thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 11 hours ago, woolley said: Possible but, again, the volume to warrant a new sea service? Nobody has mentioned a new service? More of an upgrade of the existing one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, finlo said: Mezeron sail when the match blows out the steam packet don't. That's why I said they wouldn't consider Mezeron for transporting food and certainly not with the vessel they have now. 43 minutes ago, John Wright said: However the amount of white goods might only be a container once or twice a week. Maximum. Wouldn’t justify Mezeron chartering a new boat. Mezeron can, and do, sail to a schedule. As long as the perishables can be shipped in ambient chill containers, and arrive by 6am, that’s no different to SPCo. And now that Tesco have the warehouse down by the Power Station they’ve much more flexibility for dry goods, which is most of what Tesco ( and Shoprite ) sell. And, if Stobart owned WS Mezeron didn’t explore whether it could offer an integrated service with its parent’s land based operations for Tesco, there’d be something wrong in their commercial thinking. Where has it been said that Mezeron will charter a new boat? Even if they do there's plenty of other non-standard cargo they could move with a bigger vessel. It wouldn't have to be much bigger that the Silver River otherwise they'd never manage to turn it in Ramsey harbour. There's no love lost between Mezeron and IOMSPco since the SP no longer have preferential rates with anyone, allegedly. Edited November 17, 2023 by Andy Onchan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 24 minutes ago, finlo said: Nobody has mentioned a new service? More of an upgrade of the existing one. Anything bigger than the Silver River wouldn't work in Ramsey. And it can only be Ramsey as Mezeron would never get access to a linkspan, for obvious reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: That's why I said they wouldn't consider Mezeron for transporting food and certainly not with the vessel they have now. Think you’ve misunderstood the meaning of finlo’s turn of phrase. He’s saying Mezeron, with freight, will sail in wind/weather the SPCo won’t. 2 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: Where has it been said that Mezeron will charter a new boat? Even if they do there's plenty of other non-standard cargo they could move with a bigger vessel. It wouldn't have to be much bigger that the Silver River otherwise they'd never manage to turn it in Ramsey harbour. There's no love lost between Mezeron and IOMSPco since the SP no longer have preferential rates with anyone, allegedly. Charter market quite soft at present. Renting additional tonnage, with a higher turn of speed, but similar dimensions, on a temporary basis, to squeeze rates at the SPCo would be feasible. Run along side Silver River and see what transpires. Tesco and Shoprite Island stores must be running 150+ curtain trailers a week. as long as Stobart/Mezeron don’t lose cash on such an operation there is no disincentive. If they then get preferential rates they can hand a chartered boat back, and rake in extra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 27 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: Anything bigger than the Silver River wouldn't work in Ramsey. And it can only be Ramsey as Mezeron would never get access to a linkspan, for obvious reasons. Much larger vessels have and do operate from Ramsey, also Mezeron unload in Douglas when it suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 1 hour ago, finlo said: Much larger vessels have and do operate from Ramsey, also Mezeron unload in Douglas when it suits. Which vessels larger than silver river operate commercially out of ramsey? Genuine question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Andy Onchan said: Which vessels larger than silver river operate commercially out of ramsey? Genuine question. The now wound up Ramsey steam ship co's Ben Varrey was a good 20 meetres longer as are the frequently visiting Ceg trio. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 27 minutes ago, finlo said: The now wound up Ramsey steam ship co's Ben Varrey was a good 20 meetres longer as are the frequently visiting Ceg trio. 7m longer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KERED Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Andy Onchan said: Anything bigger than the Silver River wouldn't work in Ramsey. And it can only be Ramsey as Mezeron would never get access to a linkspan, for obvious reasons. Yeah - but just wait till we get the Queen's Pier refurb finished! Then we'll show ya! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: 7m longer Silver river 44M Ceg galaxy 64M according to DR Google. Also the aforementioned Ben Varrey was three times the tonnage of the Silver river. Edited November 17, 2023 by finlo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 1 minute ago, finlo said: Silver river 44M Ceg galaxy 64M according to DR Google. I was referring to Ben Varrey... according to DR Google! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: I was referring to Ben Varrey... according to DR Google! You're looking at the old 1960's one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: I was referring to Ben Varrey... according to DR Google! You're looking at the old 1960's one! Bottom pic is the larger one. Edited November 17, 2023 by finlo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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