Conservatives Forcing People To Work

[La_Dolce_Vita]

I can't believe this. (Well no, I can, it is the Tories here). It is despicable idea and I hope it falls on its arse. Forcing people to do work with no pay whatsoever just to give them that 'feel' of what work it really like. How stupid is that?

 

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20101107/tuk-long-term-unemployed-made-to-work-dba1618.html

[gazza]

i think its a great idea. and they are getting paid. they get there job skeekers and there rents paid etc

so its them giving something back.

 

plus it could prov usefull maybe somebody has never done that sort of job before and quite like it so apply for jobs in a diffrent sector.

 

 

Then again you would hate it cause we know u dont agree with people working

[La_Dolce_Vita]

But there is no clear connection between the work they are doing and a wage.

The very idea is also demeaning, giving them menial tasks to perform so that these supposed morons can understand what it is like to do shit work for a full day. And then there is the compulsion of it. That's what I find so awful.

 

And how would it be useful? What sort of unpaid jobs do you think they are going to get?

 

I don't have a problem with work itself. I have an issue with wage work and work that has no meaning for people.

[RamseyMike]

I can't believe this. (Well no, I can, it is the Tories here). It is despicable idea and I hope it falls on its arse. Forcing people to do work with no pay whatsoever just to give them that 'feel' of what work it really like. How stupid is that?

 

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20101107/tuk-long-term-unemployed-made-to-work-dba1618.html

 

 

Its not for no pay, they will be getting at least unemployment benefit and possible £100's on top in housing benefit etc

So for getting more money than a lot of people with jobs you don't think they should get off their backsides for a month

 

Your not an unemployed shoplifter by any chance?

[Amadeus]

I can't believe this. (Well no, I can, it is the Tories here). It is despicable idea and I hope it falls on its arse. Forcing people to do work with no pay whatsoever just to give them that 'feel' of what work it really like. How stupid is that?

 

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20101107/tuk-long-term-unemployed-made-to-work-dba1618.html

About time the UK does something.

 

A few years ago, Germany was much like the UK is now - easy life on benefits, no real need to get your arse into gear. Then came a huge reform of the system and with it, so called "One Euro Jobs":

 

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1416143,00.html

 

Same principle and a great idea, especially looking at:

 

"The UK has five million people on out-of-work benefits and one of the highest rates of workless households in Europe, with 1.9 million children living in homes where no-one has a job."

 

The UK can't afford to bumble on like this - harsh action required. Won't be popular but will work in the end.

 

But there is no clear connection between the work they are doing and a wage.

The very idea is also demeaning, giving them menial tasks to perform so that these supposed morons can understand what it is like to do shit work for a full day. And then there is the compulsion of it. That's what I find so awful.

 

And how would it be useful? What sort of unpaid jobs do you think they are going to get?

 

I don't have a problem with work itself. I have an issue with wage work and work that has no meaning for people.

Work that has no meaning? WTF is that supposed to be? A job is what you make of it. If you don't like it or your current situation, get up and do something about it.

[La_Dolce_Vita]

It is no pay. They were getting some monetary support for being off work and now they are having to go on some ridiculous work experience schemes under the stupid idea that they are not motivated because they don't know or have forgotten what drudgery is and do it for free.

 

I am not so stupid as to think this is going to get people into work. Unless the Tories are going to coerce people into that as well.

 

Yes, I am an unemployed shoplifter.

[Right-Wing]

Forcing people to do work with no pay whatsoever

 

You're so right, us people who get out of bed early every morning to go to work should definitely pay big taxes so that people who don't work can stay in bed and get paid more in benefits than some of the people who are working all day, and then spend all day watching day time tv.

 

Or alternatively, if you want to receive money, how about you make a contribution to society by doing some jobs that contribute to society? Maybe a simple choice, if you want to receive a handout each week from society, you contribute to it?

[La_Dolce_Vita]

The alternative is to force these people into drudgery. I don't think that's fair at all.

I have no problem with such people making useful and enjoyable contributions freely. What ideas do you have for this to be achieved?

[The Raven King]

And what's more, if they won't work cut off their hands!!

[RamseyMike]

The alternative is to force these people into drudgery. I don't think that's fair at all.

I have no problem with such people making useful and enjoyable contributions freely. What ideas do you have for this to be achieved?

 

You mean make them take boring jobs that pays a low wage like millions of other people have to

[La_Dolce_Vita]

Amadeus -

 

It's not about getting people's arses into gear. There really is nothing essential, required, and certainly no pride to be had in the many hundreds of jobs available to the lesser educated and skilled.

 

The UK can't bumble on like this. But it's a problem of its own making, as with other countries. Either the whole economic system needs to be re-assessed and altered or you take the easy and indefensible option of using force to deal with the systems of a poor economic system that many people are currently escaping.

 

In terms of work that has no meaning for them, I am talking about the roles that they will have the unspecialised skills for. These are not people who are going to have intellectually stimulating, creative or productive jobs. These are almost wholly the uneducation who have been out of work for a long time and will be given the worst paid and most demeaning forms of work.

[La_Dolce_Vita]

You mean make them take boring jobs that pays a low wage like millions of other people have to

Exactly, it's indefensible. We have made a choice that we would rather the extra cash whilst demeaning ourselves to doing the most mindnumbing stuff, whether that has at times been such things as doing specialised tasks in the finance sector, in retail, etc. I wouldn't wish that on anyone if they don't want to do that.

[RamseyMike]

Amadeus -

 

It's not about getting people's arses into gear. There really is nothing essential, required, and certainly no pride to be had in the many hundreds of jobs available to the lesser educated and skilled.

 

The UK can't bumble on like this. But it's a problem of its own making, as with other countries. Either the whole economic system needs to be re-assessed and altered or you take the easy and indefensible option of using force to deal with the systems of a poor economic system that many people are currently escaping.

 

In terms of work that has no meaning for them, I am talking about the roles that they will have the unspecialised skills for. These are not people who are going to have intellectually stimulating, creative or productive jobs. These are almost wholly the uneducation who have been out of work for a long time and will be given the worst paid and most demeaning forms of work.

 

Thats what they would be doing if they had a job, so whats wrong with making them do it for a month ?

[La_Dolce_Vita]

I have an issue with using coercion to force people to do this rubbish.

[RamseyMike]

You mean make them take boring jobs that pays a low wage like millions of other people have to

Exactly, it's indefensible. We have made a choice that we would rather the extra cash whilst demeaning ourselves to doing the most mindnumbing stuff. I wouldn't wish that on anyone if they don't want to do that.

 

I take it by your comments you have never lived in the real world where if you want something you do what ever job comes alone to pay for it (shoplifting isn't a real job)

If everyone stopped doing jobs they didn't like the world as we know it would quickly come to a halt