Evil In Norway

[Chinahand]

FFS ... the world is going mad:

Breivik wins human rights case

The FT has this to say:

Norway’s treatment in jail of Anders Behring Breivik, the far-right terrorist who killed 77 people in 2011, was “inhuman” and “degrading”, a court ruled on Wednesday.

The sensational and unexpected judgment risks reopening the wounds of many Norwegians, who have tried to forget Breivik since he was sentenced to the maximum of 21 years in prison in 2012, reports Richard Milne in Oslo.

The court found that his continued isolation and the lack of regard for his mental health constituted inhuman treatment under the European Convention on Human Rights. Repeated strip searches were also judged to be degrading by the court.

But it found that censorship of his mail, and a lack of telephone calls and visits was justified by Norway’s need to combat or prevent terrorism.

Norway was ordered to pay NKr331,000 in his legal costs.

The case has sparked considerable controversy in Norway and abroad after it was revealed Breivik enjoys three prison cells and has a video games console and computer, which is not connected to the Internet.

[rmanx]

How you treat your prisoners, regardless of the emotion behind the crime, is an indication of your society.

 

Either everyone has human rights or no-one gets them.

[guzzi]

Hard to accept, but it goes a long way to demonstrate the gulf between Breivik's brutal ideas and actions and the fairness of the Norwegian judicial system. I find this deeply moving:

 

Bjorn Ihler, a survivor of Breivik's massacre of young activists on Utoya, tweeted that the judgement in Breivik's favour showed Norway had a "working court system, respecting human rights even under extreme conditions".

[dilligaf]

How you treat your prisoners, regardless of the emotion behind the crime, is an indication of your society. Either everyone has human rights or no-one gets them.

 

Some people deserve to lose all rights when they act sub-human.

This bastard should have been put down, not fed and watered.

[Chinahand]

The issue for me is that this man has committed such a crime that a large proportion of the prison population want to attack him.

 

A big reason for him being kept in solitary is for his own protection. I don't think the state should be providing him with a group of sympathetic prisoners to socialize with; he created the situation and the state has tried to accommodate him by keeping him away from prisoners where there is a risk of violence against him while providing him with comforts like 3 whole rooms, a computer and video games.

[P.K.]

The issue for me is that this man has committed such a crime that a large proportion of the prison population want to attack him.

 

A big reason for him being kept in solitary is for his own protection.

Well, I guess he'll find that out...!

[dilligaf]

 

The issue for me is that this man has committed such a crime that a large proportion of the prison population want to attack him.

 

A big reason for him being kept in solitary is for his own protection.

Well, I guess he'll find that out...!

 

 

Soon and often I hope.

[Chinahand]

But the Norwegian Court has ruled he should be provided a community to socialise with. That sounds like been provided sympathetic screened companions - a little neo Nazi cliche courtesy of the Norwegian state!

[P.K.]

Safeguarding Breivik's rights is simply safeguarding the rights of all Norwegian's in their penal system. It actually has nothing whatever to do with the enormity of his crimes...

[woolley]

How you treat your prisoners, regardless of the emotion behind the crime, is an indication of your society. Either everyone has human rights or no-one gets them.

Spoken like a true liberal moron.

[Shake me up Judy]

That's bollocks P.K. This is the liberal madhouse; tolerance taken to its mind-bending extreme, where the clinical purity of the regime's credentials and Mr Breivik's rights and well-being trump even mass murder. This is the road to dystopia, and it's paved with good intentions. Breivik's like the guinea pig in a sick liberal experiment and I suspect he's going to wish they'd killed him.

[Chinahand]

Rmanx, PK, do you think that the Norwegian government should screen a group of people sympathetic to Breivik for him to socialise with?

 

I'm not trying to catch anyone out and I've not thought through this issue fully yet, so I may agree with you in the end - I agree prisoners should be treated with dignity and that no one should suffer deliberate extra punishments, but what is the limit here?

 

Pedophiles etc are isolated in prisons for their own protection - so is Breivik. What obligations does the state have in these cases - they need to protect these prisoners from the risk of violence against them, but to provide them with a community? - which is one of the requirements the Norwegian Judge highlighted. I'm not convinced that do that is compatible with the need for prisoners to understand the social wrong they have committed - being insulated in a sympathetic community isn't a way to rehabilitate rather it coddles the enemy within - one of the major, and I think valid criticisms of nanny state liberalism.

[woolley]

The problem is that in our striving for some imagined epitome of civilisation we have become so concerned about the welfare of the guilty that we are unwilling to exercise the retributive justice required to protect the innocent.

[P.K.]

That's bollocks P.K. This is the liberal madhouse; tolerance taken to its mind-bending extreme, where the clinical purity of the regime's credentials and Mr Breivik's rights and well-being trump even mass murder. This is the road to dystopia, and it's paved with good intentions. Breivik's like the guinea pig in a sick liberal experiment and I suspect he's going to wish they'd killed him.

 

His punishment is to lose his freedom. Not to lose what little humanity he may have left.

 

Frankly imho he has to be a psychopath because he's a big scorer on the Hare Scale. However he was found to have a narcissistic personality order (similar to a full blown psycho) but sane enough to stand trial. So he doesn't see the world the same way normal people do.

 

Incidentally Norway not only jails very few people but their recidivism rate is probably the lowest on the planet. So clearly their justice system is doing something right.

 

Breivik was sentenced on the 24th August 2012 to 21 years - the maximum under Norwegian law. However their system allows for the case to be reviewed every 5 years. If it's thought that the miscreant shows no remorse a further 5 years will be added to the release date. I wonder what will happen in 2017?

[P.K.]

The problem is that in our striving for some imagined epitome of civilisation we have become so concerned about the welfare of the guilty that we are unwilling to exercise the retributive justice required to protect the innocent.

 

So jailing him forever fails to protect the innocent from him.

 

Errrr care to explain how that works...?