La_Dolce_Vita Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Such views do make waged work less sufferable than those who don't really analyse their productive life in the way. But why do you find it so hard to believe? Do you think such beliefs can only come from those who are unemployed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Have I? Oh, sorry! I didn't think they were inappropriate or irrelevant. I just find it hard to believe anyone who goes out to work for a living can have views like yours.I would love to be proved wrong though. Do tell...... So if LDV works for a living you're bollocksed then? Just checking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 That's what I don't get though. What does it matter whether I work or not. The validity of my beliefs shouldn't have a bearing on whether I am employed or not. But yes, I do work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Holy cow, this is a bit harsh: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-14551582 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Holy cow, this is a bit harsh: the judiciary are finally waking up to what's required. About time too! Fixed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 But yes, I do work. Pleased to hear it as your beliefs have considerably more value(to me)than if they are just what you would say to support/justify a chosen life style on the backs of others. Do you get 'it' now? So if LDV works for a living you're bollocksed then? Nooooo, I think I said "I would love to be proved wrong". Does that = being bollocksed then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Pleased to hear it as your beliefs have considerably more value(to me)than if they are just what you would say to support/justify a chosen life style on the backs of others. Do you get 'it' now?I'm not pleased. It doesn't look very good on you that you judge how good someone's argument is on the basis of their circumstances. It shows you are not really interested in thinking about other people's opinions. It's you really didn't need to know...but then I could be lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilitantDogOwner Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 but then I could be lying. Who would of guessed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutley Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Holy cow, this is a bit harsh: the judiciary are finally waking up to what's required. About time too! Fixed! +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebees Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Two things about this are really annoying me. The first is the disproportionate sentences the kids have been given and secondly I'm irked by the way the police raided the homes of these children, I call them children in the sense that they live at home with their parents. When the MP's were arrested for their false expenses claims did the police do dawn raids on their homes using battering rams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilitantDogOwner Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Two things about this are really annoying me. The first is the disproportionate sentences the kids have been given and secondly I'm irked by the way the police raided the homes of these children, I call them children in the sense that they live at home with their parents. When the MP's were arrested for their false expenses claims did the police do dawn raids on their homes using battering rams? They weren't kids when they were commiting the crimes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Holy cow, this is a bit harsh: the judiciary are finally waking up to what's required. About time too! Fixed! +1 I'm sorry but sentences like this http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/17/facebook-ban-teenager-encouraged-rioters?CMP=twt_gu simply show that there's a bunch of old men in wigs desperately trying to restore long gone order while not having any understanding of today's culture or technology. Nothing wrong with stiff sentences for people who took part in riots, stole, or burned houses down but some of the sentences are grossly disproportionate and smell of politically fuelled panic and desparation to subdue the masses because no-one knows what else to do. It's just gonna fuel more anger and won't help one bit. These ridiculous sentences will also cost an awful lot of money - money Blighty doesn't have. It's stupid beyond belief - four years for some facebook posts? Fuck off - that's so out there, you'd expect Saddam Hussein to come up with it, not a British court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Nothing wrong with stiff sentences for people who took part in riots, stole, or burned houses down but some of the sentences are grossly disproportionate and smell of politically fuelled panic and desparation to subdue the masses because no-one knows what else to do. I think you have got this completely wrong. They're NOT trying to subdue the masses. They are handing down sentences to a very small minority of criminals - because that's what they are. The "masses" as you put it are by and large good, honest, decent folk who want to be able to live their lives without fear of criminal elements ransacking their shops, beating them up and torching their premises. I'll wager any money that if you were to ask the riot/looting victims "masses" what they thought of the sentencing it would vary from the appropriate up to the far too lenient! In the UK we have policing by consent. That's consent by the "masses", or the law-abiding majority as it prefers to be known. If the scrotes don't like their sentences then fine - here's an idea to get hold of - don't kick off again scrote... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dalby Spook Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 The sentencing sounds harsh but we all know that they were involved in the looting, even though they didn't necessarily get caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauld Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Nothing wrong with stiff sentences for people who took part in riots, stole, or burned houses down but some of the sentences are grossly disproportionate and smell of politically fuelled panic and desparation to subdue the masses because no-one knows what else to do. I think you have got this completely wrong. They're NOT trying to subdue the masses. They are handing down sentences to a very small minority of criminals - because that's what they are. The "masses" as you put it are by and large good, honest, decent folk who want to be able to live their lives without fear of criminal elements ransacking their shops, beating them up and torching their premises. I'll wager any money that if you were to ask the riot/looting victims "masses" what they thought of the sentencing it would vary from the appropriate up to the far too lenient! In the UK we have policing by consent. That's consent by the "masses", or the law-abiding majority as it prefers to be known. If the scrotes don't like their sentences then fine - here's an idea to get hold of - don't kick off again scrote... i agree with all but the bolded PK, even then its a nit-pick as amadeus proves, the masses are of the opinions from too lenient, to, too heavy-handed. i think they are heavy-handed only because the law has gone soft, the sentences are realistic, now the rest of the justice system needs to catch up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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