wheels Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 It is my strongly held personal belief that the new lot are unlikely to benefit the Island in the next five years. I belive that PKs blitz of second raters didn't help and in the same vein, nor did the quality of most of the new independent 'alternatives' The electorate themselves must take some of the blame in part as well. Despite the situation, apathy ruled and in some areas, the vote was unbelieveably low. We now have a situation where an unnaceptable number of the previous buffoons are back, supplemented by some new faces and the probability of a crap CM who has not risen to the task in the past in the various roles he had. Look forward to 5 years of buzzwords like 'scrutiny, value for money etc SNAFU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Certainly, lessons should be learned from the past, But it is only one item that needs to be weighed up. Surely, the policys they intend to progress are more important. In fact is it too much to ask that the CM candidates engage the people in a debate on their competing visions? Wouldn't blame Watterson, both PK and Bell were far to keen to stick to history and personality. Like most people in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Yes, how convenient for AB if we were to forget the mistakes, maladministration and cock-ups of the past. I can't believe that tomorrow our representatives will probably elect a man for CM who has been the architect of much of the incompetence, systemic corruption and cosy deals that have made our supposed democracy a joke and who has pissed away hundreds of millions on folie grandeur. I urge them to think again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
censorship Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 pissed away hundreds of millions on folie grandeur Examples? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugger Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Surely if the slate gets wiped clean, Allan Bell is as inexperienced as Karran. He wants it both ways. Sadly, I despise Bell but think he would be better for the post than Karran. Hopefully it will draw out someone else - can't bear the thought of Bell being rewarded for his past Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 The scariest thing, imo, to come out of Mr Bells mouth was that the past should be laid to rest and we start with the slate wiped clean. But think of the money we'd save. Close down the prison and whenever anyone comes up in court they just go "past laid to rest... slate wiped clean" and get off. That was what he meant wasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EORH Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Right,so who's all going tomorrow to see what the right honorables are going to do,will the public gallery be packed to the gunnels,or will there be bags of room?. The way things were when something as serious as this came up in the past,if the gallery was packed,the MHKs would play to them,keep looking up to see if there was any reaction,but sadly the last time there was any reaction,El Presidente threatened the people,so we won't get the excitement that happens in Westminister,shame,it makes politics more interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinnieK Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Certainly, lessons should be learned from the past, But it is only one item that needs to be weighed up. Surely, the policys they intend to progress are more important. In fact is it too much to ask that the CM candidates engage the people in a debate on their competing visions?. No offence, but isn't it a little naive to so easily dismiss character and previous record in favour of what someone merely says, especially when choosing someone to act in a leadership capacity? Yes, what they say and prospose should be taken into account, but it should also be weighed heavily against what they've done previously and prior conduct. Otherwise, you simply open yourself to being fooled by blarney, wishful thinking, and/or grandiose promises. I don't understand what is so contentious about this view: when hiring a tradesman, you look for more than simply whoever happens promises the most at the least cost. Similarly, when considering someone for a job position, you specifically look at a person's past and serious flaws in character or decision aren't going to be subordinated to how impressive their current 'vision' happens to be, and past mistakes can't or shouldn't be swept under the carpet with a statement that 'lessons' have been learned. Suppose Tony Brown were to stand again for CM. I don't think anyone would accept that his conduct over the past four years should carry only minimal weight compared with whatever blather he came up with at the hustings. Quite rightly, a lot would think that since he had been a walking disaster it is only proper that whatever he said was regarded with at least skepticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I don't see what's nieve about wanting CM candidates to discuss what they intend to do in the office. Yes record and character are important - I didn't suggest otherwise. But not to the exclusion of future plans. The point is the MR debate, indeed the whole debate, focused on these issues to the exclusion of any discussion about the future of the Island. But the ironic thing is we already know the candidates' records and personality - and the Tynwald members should know this better than anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terse Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Last time around the serious contenders were, apparently, John Shimmin and Steve Rodan - either of whom would have done a decent job IMO - and it was just unfortunate that we got someone who wasn't up to the job. This time we have two candidates who are not up to the job. We can only hope that they fail to get enough support and a better candidate steps in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triskelion Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Seems like a vain hope. Who else would get a majority of support in the Tynwald? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burt Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 pissed away hundreds of millions on folie grandeur Examples? There's a few listed here:- http://www.manxheral...omment/664.html Edited for abbizmall spellin and pukchashun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Well Bell was never all that chatty about what was going on really. SHRINKING PUBLIC FUNDS - BELL WON'T TALK Published on Friday 6 December 2002 10:40 TREASURY Minister Allan Bell says it would not be in the public interest to disclose commercially sensitive details of government business relationships. Mr Bell was giving written answers to House of Keys questions from Peter Karran (Lab, Onchan) over government funds. Mr Karran tabled questions about Merrill Lynch's handling of government funds after it was revealed reserved funds had fallen in value by 138.4 million in the six months up to September 30. Ten investments were Merrill Lynch trusts. http://www.iomtoday...._talk_1_1782994 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Seems like a vain hope. Who else would get a majority of support in the Tynwald? Not sure if he would get the required majority but IMO Slasher Teare would seem to be the ideal man, particularly since there are going to be some very uncomfortable decisions made along the way.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbon selector Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 For over a decade the Isle of Man has had the equivalent of a wheelbarrow full of £20 notes dumped on its doorstep over and above what we have earned and deserved (it works out at over £1million each working day). Those £millions have bred nothing but greed, greed, greed. Incompetence, corruption, skullduggery and many other things .............but mainly greed. The Isle of Man has been a microcosm of what happens when a community has been fed far more than it has earned and deserved. Whomsoever is the new Chief Minister will have to be fully aware of the greed that has proliferated this beautiful Island this past dozen or so years. In our little community, did you earn your wonga this past few years? Do you deserve, and did you really earn what you have around you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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