spook Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 I read that the Bubbles are considering court action against the Eurobank for being nasty. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11707092/Greece-threatens-top-court-action-to-block-Grexit.html Greece should be kicked out of the EU never mind the Eurozone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 I've never quite understood how on earth they thought this EU guff would work in the first place. The Germans have a strong work ethic as do many of the northern european countries (Britain excepted) but the further south one goes the more this work ethic diminishes. And Turkey? Pfft. Apart from the stupid Greeks with a history of being stupid, the EU and Eurozone is working very nicely. Is it hell. What aspect of it do you see as working very nicely? The whole thing is an undemocratic, unworkable, incohesive, bureaucratic, pointless unmitigated disaster. I'll give the euro another 10 years at the very most and as for the EU, they'll be lucky if they manage to disentangle it without causing a war. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 What else do you expect from The Greater French Empire designed specifically to support dreadfully uneconomic French farming?Mind you, their scoff seems to taste better than ours.... However the EU has to have 12 sessions a year in Strasbourg. So every now and then the whole circus heads South. What a farce and a monument to the arrogance of De Gualle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwell Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Good. The lying cheating Greeks should never have been allowed to join the Eurozone. I hope that Greece is kicked out of the Eurozone and Greece reverts to the peasant economy and country that it was. Best of all would be for the UK to bail out of the EU, and the PIGS countries to be kicked out of the EU. 100% correct. The eurozone doesn't work. It's just an excuse for shit/poor economies to be propped up with support from developed and prospoerous economies. The sooner Greece are out the better. Fully agree about the UK. It's a one way relationship and it needs addressing. And the Greek people were not moaning when they had the (false) good times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwell Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 I've never quite understood how on earth they thought this EU guff would work in the first place. The Germans have a strong work ethic as do many of the northern european countries (Britain excepted) but the further south one goes the more this work ethic diminishes. And Turkey? Pfft. Apart from the stupid Greeks with a history of being stupid, the EU and Eurozone is working very nicely. Is it hell. What aspect of it do you see as working very nicely? The whole thing is an undemocratic, unworkable, incohesive, bureaucratic, pointless unmitigated disaster. I'll give the euro another 10 years at the very most and as for the EU, they'll be lucky if they manage to disentangle it without causing a war. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. The Eurozone can never work. You cannot have monetary union without fiscal union and that is impossible given the constituents that make up the Eurozone. It was destined to fail from the outset as they let in more and more shit economies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarne Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 So it's like almost 5 pm now, and Greece as far as I'm aware hasn't paid up Nothing seems to have happened because of this. What am I missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwell Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 I think it is already known that they are not paying it. The issue relates more around whether Greece will accept the conditions imposed for a continued bail out. I hope they dont and fuck off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Filming people using cash machines: so hot right now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 So it's like almost 5 pm now, and Greece as far as I'm aware hasn't paid up Nothing seems to have happened because of this. What am I missing? That it's not due until 10 pm...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 It was never going to work if all the debts weren't consolidated. Everyone came into it converting their separate debt to euros, the euro was always going to rise once things progressed, therefore increasing the debts to an unpayable level. The EU thought they could bully everyone into austerity as they planned on democracy being a thing of the past. Greece having the nerve to actually propose a referendum has thrown them into a tailspin, this wasn't in the plan. A United States of Europe was supposed to ride over national sovereignty. As much as I disapprove of the way Greece has turned into a socialist nightmare the fact they are using democracy against bureaucracy needs to applauded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al-T Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 SAVE GREECE!!! https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/greek-bailout-fund#/story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 There's no escaping the rock, is there? This is at Syntagma Square in the center of Athens, where all the big protests were held you saw on telly. Literally right next to it is this little cafe / bar. Huge IOM fans and super nice guys. Strangely enough, the crisis is good for them, bringing in loads of customers from the packed square. In general it's strangely quiet here, though. Like no panic atmosphere or anything....yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxy Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Any truth in the matter? Whilst in Greece recently, I thought it was just one of those conspiracy rumours (and may well be), but I heard that the Greeks disliked paying tax so much (who doesn't) that numerous 1000's and 1000's of acres of olive groves was not known of and it was only till the Greek Government asked Google to show Greece on a map, that they found out about the huge mass of olive groves about the size of the UK which was unknown of and that they hadn't taxed. I don't personally know if its true or not, but does anyone know if this was or wasn't true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 There's no escaping the rock, is there? This is at Syntagma Square in the center of Athens, where all the big protests were held you saw on telly. Literally right next to it is this little cafe / bar. Huge IOM fans and super nice guys. Strangely enough, the crisis is good for them, bringing in loads of customers from the packed square. In general it's strangely quiet here, though. Like no panic atmosphere or anything....yet. nice one....probably a wise move to claim you are manx rather than german right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 As much as I disapprove of the way Greece has turned into a socialist nightmare the fact they are using democracy against bureaucracy needs to applauded. Very true, but it is telling that they are only using it because they are between a rock and a hard place and have absolutely nowhere else to run. And I STILL think it'll all be cobbled together yet again and kicked down the road. Unless the Greeks return a resounding no in the vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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