Albert Tatlock Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 All four pollsters suggest a 'no'...but there are no exit polls yet, and they could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 My view is that Seriza has been a disaster for Greece. They've alienated allies and isolated Greece with their totally unrealistic demands which simply defy economic logic. A more knowledgeable negotiator with a more sensible set of proposals could have moved the negotiations far more fruitfully than the grandstanding Tsiprav has engaged in. His pushing of such ideological and infeasible positions, and rhetoric slandering countries which have already given his country billions of euros and are willing to lend billions more as Nazis, has destroyed trust and made the whole process far harder. The result is the shuttered banks and divided country we see today. He casts this as some sort of victory; such is his hubris. The current bail out isn't ideal and a cannier Greek side should have been able to bring the Euro side round by demanding policies which allow Greece to grow. Greece needs to free up its economy, reduce its bureaucracy and be more flexible. The economists from the EU would have supported this and advised the politicians to emphasise this over austerity, but Tsiprav demanded the complete opposite pushing for nationalised socialist LaLa Land. Positions hardened, compromise became impossible and this is the result: a referendum on a bad set of negotiations. Goodness knows how this will end. There simply isn't a set of realistic negotiators to put Greece's position and it is highly unlikely that there will be tomorrow matter what the result. Bad business likely to get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 http://ekloges.ypes.gr/current/e/public/index.html?lang=en#%7B%22cls%22:%22main%22,%22params%22:%7B%7D%7D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 ...and just to add further confusion...'nai' means 'yes' in Greek, oxi' means 'no'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 cheers for the oxymoron moron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 I wonder what made the makers of a zit cream call it No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 http://ekloges.ypes.gr/current/e/public/index.html?lang=en#%7B%22cls%22:%22main%22,%22params%22:%7B%7D%7D First results...big 'no' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 http://ekloges.ypes.gr/current/e/public/index.html?lang=en#%7B%22cls%22:%22main%22,%22params%22:%7B%7D%7D First results...big 'no' Bye-bye Greece. Anyone want to buy a country? No careful owners... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 It ain't over yet. The commercial areas may bite back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 They're quick at counting. Following that link China posted, they're now up to 20% of votes counted, and it's still 60:40. It's a big ask to overturn that from here. Get those Drachmas printed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Early results from EVERY region report a majority for the No vote. I can't see that being over turned. Bad night for Berlin and Brussels. My view is they will claim to be a rules based grouping (even though they've broken their own rules time and time again) and refuse to compromise - "our hands are tied" - as the ECB pulls the plug. I can't see how Greece's banks can continue to be supported if the government is in default. Nasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Not be many Greeks over for homestay next year then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 They're quick at counting......but shit at it...which is how they blagged their economy into the Eurozone in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 At least the Greek entry to the Eurovision song contest this year was apt..."one last breath". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 I'm not surprised. Like I said earlier, all I could see were No posters everywhere and the biggest rally was the No one outside parliament. Plus stuff like ye olde Mussolini connection and the meaning of OXI to many here, and there you have it. Fuck knows what will happen now. Went to Syntagma Square again a bit earlier but headed home now. Can't be arsed getting stuck in the crowd again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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