Pakistan Next?

[Lxxx]

True LDV, I don't see any indication or hints that they would use their nuclear programme as offensive weaponry.

[La_Dolce_Vita]

It isn't sensible for any country for use them offensively. And certainly not start waving around tactical nuclear weapons. They only have real potential to be actually used and not deterrence purposes.

[hypersniper]

This is all assuming Iran even has the capability of weaponising their uranium stocks. Last I heard, they only had low-enriched uranium (<20%) suitable for a nuclear reactor - which they have been trying for decades to achieve ever since the US stopped helping them in 1979 (Incidently when the CIA backed coup was overthrown by revolution). They haven't gotten very far what with blatant fabricated evidence from the US to the IAEA, assassinations of scientists, the stuxnet virus (likely traced to US or Israel), US pressure on countries to not provide fissionable material or nuclear technologies.

 

And even if they did gain nuke capabilities, at 20% a bomb would be so inefficient it would be the size of a factory - that's one big transit van. Frankly, I'm more concerned with Israel (who have not signed the NPT) having nukes than Iran.

[Lxxx]

There's only one country in the middle east who refuses to comment on any aspect of their nuclear program, for issues of 'national security.' Surely we should be advocating an open and honest policy for all before we even start to comment on potential capabilities and intentions of said uranium enrichment programmes.

[MilitantDogOwner]

And Tactical weapons are the only the deploy weapons of mass destruction.......

I didn't understand what you meant.

 

Really? Someone so well read on all things military such as yourself would understand.

 

Tactical weapons do not need to be deployed by vehicular methods (i.e. ICBM or SCUD). You can fit quite a tasty sized piece of ordanace into the back of a Ford Transit that can do quite a lot of damage. No imagine, 10 or so, bog standard Ford Tranists all around the UK parked up in any major city. No-one will pay them any notice, what with FTs being about as common as they come. Parked up in shopping centres or any high street, no-one will take a second glance.

 

Now imagine the tactical advantage of setting off those devices in those major cities as opposed to firing bloody obvious missiles into the atmosphere where they can be tracked and counters deployed.

 

The chaos, the confusion. Hundreds of thousands dead, just as many injured and massive infrastructure damage to a population that was unprepared. The response would be ragged at best due to the surprise nature of the attack.

 

Terrorists wet dream.

Read you post again. It didn't qyuite make sense. Anyway, I don't know why you are bringing up tactical nuclear weapons. They won't be what Iran would consider building first and highly unlikely they would build them in the near to middle term. They aren't very useful at all.

I think you are in a dream world if you think Iran is building nukes to intend on using them.

 

Have a read again old bean.

 

I'm saying that Iran would not deploy conventional weapons. They, or a "splinter group" would not engage in a "toe to toe" with the rest of the world. They don't have the capacity and would lose out in the end.

 

"I think you are in a dream world if you think Iran is building nukes to intend on using them." - Yeah, they are only building them because they are "jelly" of the West nuke stocks.

[G_Kelly]

 

So where do you get your propaganda from then? As reading your posts you don't seem to know much about the region and Iran in particular. It seems to read like a Richard Littlejohn or Max Hastings article.

 

Please do enlighten us. as you seam to be the local iran specialist.

 

Are they trying to make nukes, I would chance they are to be honest. Since the uk/usa fooked them over they have been dogged ever since by them, what better way to shut them up than to have nukes, the same reason we have them, we have them we can use them back off. Are they getting anywhere, how longs a bit of string.

 

Are the uk/usa on a witch hunt, more than likely. do they really know iran is trying to make nukes, i dowt it vary much.

Has most of this got to do with the oil. more than likely.

 

Only them will knwo the answers to this really.

[La_Dolce_Vita]

Have a read again old bean.

 

I'm saying that Iran would not deploy conventional weapons. They, or a "splinter group" would not engage in a "toe to toe" with the rest of the world. They don't have the capacity and would lose out in the end.

 

"I think you are in a dream world if you think Iran is building nukes to intend on using them." - Yeah, they are only building them because they are "jelly" of the West nuke stocks.

I think you are getting too excited about all this talk of nuclear weapons.

 

We are talking about Iran and then you refer to 'splinter groups'. A splinter group of the Iranian government? What are you talking about?

 

And then what do you mean about not going 'toe-to-toe'. Iran isn't engaged in some fight against the western world. And they wouldn't benefit from using nuclear weapons more than they would conventional forces. Although a strategic nuclear deterrent could be and probably is what they want. But a deterrent is a different use than actually using them.

 

As for tactical nuclear weapons, which is what you are talking about, there is no point building them. Iran wouldn't use them and certainly woudn't waste material handing them over to terrorists. And handing tactical weapons to terrorists would be extremely risky, would pose uncertainties to Iran as to how they would be used, and it wouldn't be hard to work out how the terrorists got the material.

 

In any case, Iran would far rather take another course, of being brought into the fold of the nuclear powers and therefore adopt their regulations surrounding security. Iran has far more to gain by joining the club as a power than opposing these countries.

[Lxxx]

Who can blame Iran for wanting a nuclear deterrent? As a country they have been shafted by the west on more than one occasion and now have a psychopathic ally of the west on their doorstep who seems hell bent on persecuting their neighbours on a daily basis, as well as playing cat and mouse over their own nuclear capability. Couple this with the fact that the US have been slowly and not exactly covertly ammassing military bases on their doorstep to the point that they are now totally surrounded. Is it any wonder they feel threatened? Even at the UN council they get rebuffed on most suggestions they make by the power hungry western elite. They know they can't go toe to toe with the US so they're playing another tactic, by surrounding themselves with allies like Russia, China and Pakistan and playing their own game or cat and mouse, and who can blame them? So to say they hate the western way of life is overly simplistic and doesn't even begin to address why they're not so keen on the anglo-american axis of evil.

[SJR]

La Dolce I gave up on Manx Forums when you posted that the USA should simply open up its Mexican borders.I think that I should give up again.Have you never heard of a suicide bomber ? What about a suicide country.You really are the original loony liberal and should concentrate on "representing" your Public Sector members who I am sure would be disgusted to hear your views if you used your real name.

[Lxxx]

La Dolce I gave up on Manx Forums when you posted that the USA should simply open up its Mexican borders.I think that I should give up again.Have you never heard of a suicide bomber ? What about a suicide country.You really are the original loony liberal and should concentrate on "representing" your Public Sector members who I am sure would be disgusted to hear your views if you used your real name.

 

Yep, all those suicide bombers hey, can't move for them lately can we?

[La_Dolce_Vita]

SJR: You're either a troll or just plain stupid. I give you benefit and suspect the latter.

[cheesypeas]

Iran public took over UK embassy,

The uk has since told all iran ambassadors to leave the UK in 48 hours.

UK foreign secretary says attack on UK embassy in Tehran could not have taken place without some degree of Iranian regime consent

Prime Minister David Cameron says he will consider taking some very tough action after attack on UK Embassy in Tehran

France germany recalling there ambassadors for talks, italy deciding they might

Iran calls British move to close Iran embassy in London 'hasty'; says Iran will take 'further appropriate action.

 

Netherlands also recalling their Ambassador from Teheran.

 

And so the isolation starts.

 

There is talk of a oil embargo from the UK on iran, lets hope they have sorted out other oil produces to up supply or the price will go up big time

 

So your biggest concern is the price of petrol, am I right?

[manxy]

Pakistan's commanders in the wild Afghan border region can return fire if under attack without waiting for permission, the army chief said on Friday, a policy change that could stoke tensions after Saturday's NATO strike killed 24 Pakistani troops. Link here

 

The comments near the bottom of the linked page looks rather ominous!

[G_Kelly]

Iran public took over UK embassy,

The uk has since told all iran ambassadors to leave the UK in 48 hours.

UK foreign secretary says attack on UK embassy in Tehran could not have taken place without some degree of Iranian regime consent

Prime Minister David Cameron says he will consider taking some very tough action after attack on UK Embassy in Tehran

France germany recalling there ambassadors for talks, italy deciding they might

Iran calls British move to close Iran embassy in London 'hasty'; says Iran will take 'further appropriate action.

 

Netherlands also recalling their Ambassador from Teheran.

 

And so the isolation starts.

 

There is talk of a oil embargo from the UK on iran, lets hope they have sorted out other oil produces to up supply or the price will go up big time

 

So your biggest concern is the price of petrol, am I right?

 

So out of it all that was posted you pick up on the one thing.

And who would not be worried about the price of there fuel. Maybe you dont use much, but when the price of fuel is one of the biggest outlays per month then yes it does concern me.

 

The EU on Friday extended sanctions to three Syrian oil concerns, including the state-owned General Petroleum Corporation (GPC) and Syria Trading Oil (Sytrol), to crank up the financial pressure on the Assad government..

This has closed the loop hole on the first lot of sanctions that kept them exporting oil though the EU companys

Royal Dutch Shell has pulled out as a result of this so far.

 

Plus the UN Human rights lot asking the the international community to take action.

[Lxxx]

It's all being stoked quite nicely wherever you look, as predicted by a whole lot of intelligent geo-political researchers a few years ago. An economic crisis accompanied by regional conflicts and financial meltdown equals global war, which is the tried and tested method to solve any world meltdown. Whether we like it or not the major powers that make the decisions in the world have, it seems, decided on a course of action that will bring us to the brink, it's hold onto your tin hats time....