kokorito Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Max Power yeah, I know, which is why I suggested google move here, then the US government cant shut them down, same as the chinese government cant shut down services outside china. it is the world wide web after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Max Power yeah, I know, which is why I suggested google move here, then the US government cant shut them down, same as the chinese government cant shut down services outside china. it is the world wide web after all Soon we'll have two world powers with a very similar internet policy.....very worrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merkin Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 This is all balls, it's not going to happen. America fights for freedom of speech more than most and they are not going to let an insignificant little sector like Entertainment call the shots. Bit like the tail wagging the dog..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endovelicus Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Under the proposed legislation, you could get 5 years for illegally downloading a Michael Jackson song. Whereas, if you're his doctor, 4 years seems to be enough for... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 This is all balls, it's not going to happen. America fights for freedom of speech more than most and they are not going to let an insignificant little sector like Entertainment call the shots. Bit like the tail wagging the dog..... Wake up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merkin Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 You could be right about the size of this and if you are I'll come grovelling on my knees, but the scale and fear factor seems, to me, to be getting blown out of proportion. Google bought YouTube for $1.65B. Something tells me they are not going to let it be shut down over copyright infringement. Nor are the public going to tolerate any closure of social media sites including Facebook or Twitter because a minority of people are linking to copyrighted materials. I would however choose to support penalties for sites that allow offensive traffic. The hugely racist and offensive comments routinely left on YouTube are a disgrace. In addition, I have no problem with sites like pirate bay and others being shut down. But any concerns that a site such as Manx Forums could be locked down because a user had provided a link to something downloadable are too much. Let common sense prevail! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 You could be right about the size of this and if you are I'll come grovelling on my knees, but the scale and fear factor seems, to me, to be getting blown out of proportion. Google bought YouTube for $1.65B. Something tells me they are not going to let it be shut down over copyright infringement. Nor are the public going to tolerate any closure of social media sites including Facebook or Twitter because a minority of people are linking to copyrighted materials. I would however choose to support penalties for sites that allow offensive traffic. The hugely racist and offensive comments routinely left on YouTube are a disgrace. In addition, I have no problem with sites like pirate bay and others being shut down. But any concerns that a site such as Manx Forums could be locked down because a user had provided a link to something downloadable are too much. Let common sense prevail! Of course they aren't going to shut down the huge corporations, that's not the point. The point is the act is so generic and woolly that it is open to selective censoring, i.e. any sites that give people information that the mainstream media doesn't. For example news sites that have proper news on and not government propaganda like the BBC, sites like naturalnews which give people health freedom and expose the corrupt relationship between government and the pharmaceutical industry at the expense of our health. It's about censoring the freedom of information, that's the whole point. Most people these days get most of their information via the web, where it is unregulated, and this cannot continue if governments are to maintain the same level of control they have had up to now. The internet is the one last bastion of freedom we have, and that's why they want to take it away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Gosh, what will the kids do without the internet? They will have to do things like play outside, read, learn skills. They may even get fit and not need the healthfreak.com. However, I agree with Mirkin. It will never happen. The amount of industry that has grown up around the internet is far more valuable to the governments that the likes of pharma, etc. It will never happen. A bit like the global warming industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Git Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I see the FBI have instigated the arrest of several people in New Zealand over an upload site accused of piracy http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16642369 It's not about taking down the interned, it's about taking down sites and content they don't like with little chance of due process before or appeal after. A totally legit Spanish music sharing site was off line for over a year before the Yanks allowed them back on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 It doesn't need to happen on a global scale, what will happen is they will water down the bill and it will go through the back door, as usual. Leaving it so generic that they will be able to pick off sites they don't like at will and do it piecemeal. Rest assured it will come in, whether it has to change it's name, it's reasoning or it's wording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
credente Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Postponed. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16655272 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronan Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I see the FBI have instigated the arrest of several people in New Zealand over an upload site accused of piracy http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-16642369 It's not about taking down the interned, it's about taking down sites and content they don't like with little chance of due process before or appeal after. A totally legit Spanish music sharing site was off line for over a year before the Yanks allowed them back on the internet. This is a corner of a larger puzzle and there is 'allegedly', more to come later on this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesypeas Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Can we reciprocate by banning their trashy eateries and ghastly TV programmes? A great idea. No more Starbucks, no more KFCs, no more 'Friends'. Like it. Friends - I look forward to my daily fix of jennifer's organ stops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I see the FBI have instigated the arrest of several people in New Zealand over an upload site accused of piracy http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-16642369 It's not about taking down the interned, it's about taking down sites and content they don't like with little chance of due process before or appeal after. A totally legit Spanish music sharing site was off line for over a year before the Yanks allowed them back on the internet. This is a corner of a larger puzzle and there is 'allegedly', more to come later on this year Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koqenz Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 The UK have signed the ACTA treaty. Read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement Specifically: "The treaty calls for the creation of an "ACTA committee" to make amendments, for which public or judicial review are not required." The Committee consisting of not limited to: RIAA MPAA This is the biggest attack on a free and open medium the Gov's previously had NO power over. This is now not the case. The internet was our last real "free press". IS ANYONE ELSE AS PISSED OFF AS ME ABOUT THIS?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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