thebees Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 BBC LINK I'm not holding my breath or getting excited about this, nothing will happen but, I am really glad the subject is being discussed. For 100 years I have been saying "It's not the drugs, it's the people who take them" and it's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierrot Lunaire Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Branson screws you up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 For 100 years I have been saying "It's not the drugs, it's the people who take them" and it's right. Did you get a telegram off the queen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Funny how politicians' views change once they get power, presumably they just get scared of doing anything that might attract too much criticism. But surely, it is time for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebees Posted January 24, 2012 Author Share Posted January 24, 2012 It's beyond time for this. I wonder if our illustrious leaders will chance their luck at addressing the reality? I hugely doubt it. Maybe I will start lobbying .....or perhaps I'd get more from lobbing anyone got any cabbages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 True its not the drugs its the people. The weak willed people that cant say no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierrot Lunaire Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 True its not the drugs its the people. The weak willed people that cant say no Exactly. Someone at a party once said to me, "Here's an enormous line of cocaine for you. Are you going to pass on it?" Well, I'm not weak willed, so I replied, "No. I'm not." Of course, I was extremely lucky not to immediately die and that. Probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebees Posted January 24, 2012 Author Share Posted January 24, 2012 Gazza, stop reading the Daily Mail. The taking of drugs has nothing to do with will, it's all about choice, there are millions of people taking drugs all the time, a small minority of them CHOOSE to become drug addicts, it should not come as a surprise to anyone taking cocaine/heroin/whatever on a daily basis that they wind up with a problem. David Nutt recently raised a good point regarding psychedelic drugs, MDMA and LSD and psilocybin might have positive medical purposes however, because of the legal status of the substances their uses are not explored, I'd be game for trying E's for SAD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Branson screws you up. I screw Branston up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempus Fugit Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 For 100 years I have been saying "It's not the drugs, it's the people who take them" and it's right. Did you get a telegram off the queen? doesn't look a day over 99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Gazza, stop reading the Daily Mail. The taking of drugs has nothing to do with will, it's all about choice, there are millions of people taking drugs all the time, a small minority of them CHOOSE to become drug addicts, it should not come as a surprise to anyone taking cocaine/heroin/whatever on a daily basis that they wind up with a problem. David Nutt recently raised a good point regarding psychedelic drugs, MDMA and LSD and psilocybin might have positive medical purposes however, because of the legal status of the substances their uses are not explored, I'd be game for trying E's for SAD dont read the papers Will and choice come hand in hand. you make the choice to take them or you dont. The will power as it is named decides if we keep on taking them. Sometimes the person finds that there life feels so much better when on drugs they just keep taking them, how ever much they want to stop and make a clean go of it there allways drawn back into that world where its so much better for them at the time. Others just like the rush but know they have to control it. Its the same with drink, some of us enjoy it but know we have to keep it in cheeck, others that life is so much better when pissed than sober. Branson has a point. Most addacits and not all i must add will have some sort of problem they are hiding from, the drink or drugs hides that problem puishers it to the back of there mind, off there face they dont care. so just dealing with the addiction is only the first step, to stop it from happing again u have to get to the route of the problem. but then some people dont want to be saved. If they cant first hel[p themselfs with a little guide then noboody can help them, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endovelicus Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Some of what Gazza says rings a bell with me. After a relationship broke down, I found myself using 'enhancements' more and more. I've never been too fussed on alcohol - it too often makes me sick when I have too much - but I did try a few other things. I also, I think, used them as an excuse for what I considered out-of-character behaviour, although its possible that they may have just enabled me to have the nerve to do some of the things I actually fancied trying. Gradually, I used them less and less, finding that I preferred to have more control over what I was doing and acknowledging that I was doing things - even things that some would regard as 'wrong' - because they were what I wanted to do rather than things that drugs made me do. I still drink - in moderation - and I have the occasional spliff; but I can understand how emotional problems etc could easily lead to addiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheels Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 I'm thinking that any innovation on legislation is this area is not going to be led by the IOM They've only just stopped persecuting gays and they're probably still pissed off that they aren't allowed to burn witches anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Well, quite patently the current drugs policy has failed, in the UK and in the IoM. Cannabis is more or less as widespread as alcohol, and other intoxicants are freely available. Police effort is wasted on trying to keep the finger in the dyke, maybe we could save money on policing. Cannabis we should simply allow to be sold and levy taxes. Others all decriminalized, and harmful abuse treated as a medical problem just like alcohol. IoM surely could lead the way. If legislation went before the Queen, it would probable trigger a huge public debate in the UK media and government, and I think the door is just waiting to be shoved open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 and they're probably still pissed off that they aren't allowed to burn witches anymore Ooops. I wish you'd posted that before last weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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