La_Dolce_Vita Posted February 15, 2012 Author Share Posted February 15, 2012 That is a different issue... ...but does everyone have irrational beliefs of some kind? Not sure about that at all. We are all irrational in our thinking at times, but other than astrology and ghosts, I cannot think of any other irrational beliefs. And as I mentioned to Evilgoblin, yes, we are irrational at times. But that should not mean we should embrace being irrational and think it is a good thing. That seems to be what we do with religion. Faith is seen to be a virtue. People with strong religious convictions based on faith are more often than not admired regardless of the content of their beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 So when Cronky says 69 or whatever it is percent of the UK identify themselves on the census as Christians, and therefore Christian mores should be given democratic legitimacy, you agree with him? Cronky is expropriating people to his cause because they, in a very narrow question, have defined themselves as Christians. Dawkins has gone and sampled these people and found the majority of them are in favour of secular policies. The Bishops, various high church politicians, and Cronky, are making alot more out of this self defined group of Christians than is legitimate to do so when you ask them about their views. To recap the '69%' figure came from a survey of 413,832 people by the Office of National Statistics. The purpose, broadly speaking, of such a survey is to inform Government of public opinion so it can better write it's policies to better suit the electorate. The question asked was: ' What is your religion, even if you are not currently practising?' which measures religious affiliation - that is identification with a religion irrespective of actual practice or belief. and the answer across the whole of Great Britain was 68.5 % Christian. I do not see how you could reasonably use this result to make a case for beginning a process of disestablishment. As regards the case for the status quo I think the speech made by the Queen today encapsulates the situation very well: The Church is under-appreciated says the Queen http://www.telegraph...-the-Queen.html In a timely address to leaders of Britain's nine main religions at Lambeth Palace, London home of the Archbishop of Canterbury, she highlighted the importance of faith in society and the "critical guidance" it offered in life. "The concept of our established Church is occasionally misunderstood and, I believe, commonly under-appreciated," she said. "Its role is not to defend Anglicanism to the exclusion of other religions. Instead, the Church has a duty to protect the free practice of all faiths in this country." The monarch, speaking at the first public event to mark her Diamond Jubilee, said that Church was "woven into the fabric of this country" and had helped to build a better society. It has "created an environment for other faith communities and indeed people of no faith to live freely", I strongly support the time honoured British values of give and take, common sense and fair play. If it 'aint broke don't fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted February 15, 2012 Author Share Posted February 15, 2012 I think you need to be specific about what you mean. All seems very nebulous. Give and take: how does that apply here? What common sense and whose? And are you really talking about your own view of fair play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endovelicus Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Just a silly question really, but... Do Castletown Commissioners have prayers at the start of their meetings and, if so, is Mr Patel ( a Hindu, I believe), expected to take part in them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Dunno Endo. However if they don't there's no problem is there? It's only a problem if they *insist* of praying to their god (especially if justification is based on some crazy and very unlikely stats.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 I pray everytime they meet...that they're not going to waste more £millions of our hard earned cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 I should try a different god Albert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Mammon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 I should try a different god Albert. I thought I'd picked the right god - 'Nut' - the Egyptian sky goddess. We should all be Nuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted February 16, 2012 Author Share Posted February 16, 2012 Just a silly question really, but... Do Castletown Commissioners have prayers at the start of their meetings and, if so, is Mr Patel ( a Hindu, I believe), expected to take part in them? They will only allow him to shout "Shiiiiiva!!!!!" at the beginning and end of meetings to open and close them. It is the only concession they allow there.But he is forced to pray, as he has been told that he will burn in hell if he doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I didn't know Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Hindus don't do hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted February 16, 2012 Author Share Posted February 16, 2012 That's what they think! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Meoff Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I suppose any of "we the poster" become an HMK or Board Member then we can choose or vote for or against it, but to rant on about something that has not affect on our lives and we have no affect on is erm useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Is all debate useless if we aren't directly involved in a topic then? Could we, for instance, discuss 3rd world hunger because that doesn't affect are lives and largely we have no effect on it (unfortunately). Discussing that wouldn't be useless would it? Many people are fed up of the unjustified power and representation religion gets and its been most interesting debating it. I look forward to a time that its place in politics is eradicated forever. Is that the sort of statement what you would call a rant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I think whether we want a country to be secular or not is a principle and I'd rather discuss big ideas like that rather than what happened on East Enders or Coronation Street last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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