kevster Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Dunroamin said: Not sure if previously mentioned but on Manxman at moment outside Heysham where we have virtually stopped while a PILOT GETS ON BOARD? WTF? You do know what a pilot is in shipping don't you? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monasqueen Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Dunroamin said: Not sure if previously mentioned but on Manxman at moment outside Heysham where we have virtually stopped while a PILOT GETS ON BOARD? WTF? You don't expect a pilot to get on board at full speed, do you?😟 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 26 minutes ago, monasqueen said: You don't expect a pilot to get on board at full speed, do you?😟 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8ER9Ladqg4&ab_channel=SikhAtSea 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 3 hours ago, Dunroamin said: Not sure if previously mentioned but on Manxman at moment outside Heysham where we have virtually stopped while a PILOT GETS ON BOARD? WTF? it is a great boat, from what we have seen, other than two types of cabin we have now tried are incredibly uncomfortable and not worth paying for - bring back the Ben!! Pilots are exactly the ones you want to be steering an 80 million bit of kit into port. It may be that they're training another captain for the exemption. Renewal for exemptions is due at the end of the year isn't it? I absolutely love the new boat, travelling on it is far nicer than the Ben. The whole thing feels in a different league to the Ben. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 1 hour ago, monasqueen said: You don't expect a pilot to get on board at full speed, do you?😟 Maybe not the Seacat, but for the Manxman, yeah it shouldn't be an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swoopy2110 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 https://placenorthwest.co.uk/liverpool-city-council-to-pull-out-of-cruise-terminal/?fbclid=IwAR2KrfyTMbEAD7PfGc7bcFg5MW9NesgutO7p4bui9tXE1l9pJnnPpbZlMg8 Sooooo.. could we have stayed where we are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 12 minutes ago, swoopy2110 said: https://placenorthwest.co.uk/liverpool-city-council-to-pull-out-of-cruise-terminal/?fbclid=IwAR2KrfyTMbEAD7PfGc7bcFg5MW9NesgutO7p4bui9tXE1l9pJnnPpbZlMg8 Sooooo.. could we have stayed where we are? Not in the least surprised. This has been coming. Idiots. I liked the comment from the Liverpool Cllr Nick Small: “Even if we did have £90m sitting around, the critical question would be if that is the best way to invest it, or would we want to look at something else.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 2 hours ago, swoopy2110 said: https://placenorthwest.co.uk/liverpool-city-council-to-pull-out-of-cruise-terminal/?fbclid=IwAR2KrfyTMbEAD7PfGc7bcFg5MW9NesgutO7p4bui9tXE1l9pJnnPpbZlMg8 Sooooo.. could we have stayed where we are? It’s nearly a year since Liverpool announced they weren’t going ahead with the extension of the cruise terminal by replacing the IoM landing stage pontoon. This is really about Liverpool not continuing operating, at loss, the existing cruise pontoon and cruise terminal. They really need a decent terminal if the cruise business is to expand. It’s currently a temporary building, steel frame and stretched plastic tenting cover. The existing IoM landing stage pontoon is past end of life. Notice was given by Peel, from whom SPCo leased it, about 5 years ago. That was to allow Peel to develop, with Liverpool as tenant, and extended cruise pontoon, that was supposed to double capacity, making a new build terminal viable. In simple terms, no, we couldn’t have stayed. We should have accepted the build offer by Peel on their original location and specification. SPCo was happyish. IoM Government felt three times bitten and was wary. Government has paid for, in part, two landing stages, and got nothing*. They felt they’d be at the mercy of Peel ( who own Heysham and all that Liverpool waterfront ). Stena in Birkenhead was a no go due to the e-flexer changes to their link span. * paid half cost of original new concrete pontoons after the wooden floating landing stage had to be replaced, late 1970’s. paid the majority of cost of second concrete pontoons when the tanks, on which the first concrete landing stage floated, failed and it sank. given notice to get off. IoMG didn’t trust Peel. Was around this time SPCo did berthing trials at Holyhead and Mostyn ( on the Dee ) as resilience in case Heysham became unavailable. I actually think it’s a good idea to have the resilience, but they’ve ended up with something that’s cost too much, can’t be used for proper resilience because of hours of operation and freight operation restrictions. There were other factors and unfortunate timings built in. These things don’t just come out of thin air. From about 2015 Peel/Liverpool had been muttering about expanding the cruise berth by extending to include the IoM part of the pontoon. They’d even got the promise of 50% EU funding. That doesn’t happen overnight. Of course post Brexit that funding source won’t be forthcoming, so it’s not a real surprise that Peel/Liverpool aren’t proceeding. They’ve lost half their funding. My recollection is that, initially, when it was mentioned that Peel as going to provide an alternative down river location there were conditions. There are always conditions. The biggest one was that they wanted a 30 or 50 year commitment from the Steam Packet. SPCo were owned by a Portuguese bank who had acquired them due to default by borrowers. SPCo owed much more than it was worth, had depreciating assets in the User Agreement, Ben & Manannan. Couldn’t commit. Possibly Peel tried to seek a guarantee from IoMG? Who knows. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 A fair assessment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swoopy2110 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Thanks for clarifying. I do agree that we should have taken the build offer from Peel, but we know best! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 On 11/7/2023 at 12:08 PM, Dunroamin said: we have virtually stopped That's what you want surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Liverpool back for next winter 😀 https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/manxman-will-operate-liverpool-route-from-next-winter/?fbclid=IwAR1txuyyJe79v9EoeFsDVE5uc-yl_SwHa7IMDaKufK94aKbjeBfBi1f-kDk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 15 minutes ago, Banker said: Liverpool back for next winter 😀 https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/manxman-will-operate-liverpool-route-from-next-winter/?fbclid=IwAR1txuyyJe79v9EoeFsDVE5uc-yl_SwHa7IMDaKufK94aKbjeBfBi1f-kDk Only 7 posts too late 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 1 hour ago, John Wright said: Only 7 posts too late Better late than never 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, Banker said: Better late than never 😂 If you’re late you’ll miss the boat… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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