John Wright Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, woolley said: Yes, and presumably the Victoria Pier is less likely to go walkabout with the boat attached than the (pre-reinforcement project) King Edward Pier. I don’t think the Edward, or the Red which is encased within the Edward, would go anywhere-even with the Mx in full windage in a storm. The hawsers would break first. All that’s happening to the Edward is. 3 huge new storm bollards up towards the linkspan end reinforcement of the 4 existing fenders strengthening of the base with rock sacks ( think gabions ) at the base to prevent scour Extra dolphins at the end, and off the end, for more hawsers. One a fender and mooring point. The other a mooring point only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercenary Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Frances said: I guess because it will do least damage if it breaks loose due to its windage - I'm convinced that it is unsuited to the route and was a typical committee design - size, weight, emergency provision, difficulties within its usual harbours and I suspect judged from the excessive shaking of the whole boat as it rotates in the harbours there will be problems here - its timekeeping as compared to the Ben is dismal. Shame @Frances wasn't on the committee then eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, John Wright said: I don’t think the Edward, or the Red which is encased within the Edward, would go anywhere-even with the Mx in full windage in a storm. The hawsers would break first. All that’s happening to the Edward is. 3 huge new fenders up towards the linkspan end strengthening of the base with rock sacks ( think gabions ) at the base to prevent scour Extra dolphins at the end, and off the end, for more hawsers. Hmmm. I'm not sure. More importantly, I don't think they're sure either. Nothing like Manxman was envisaged when the King Edward Pier was last scoped. Better safe than sorry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chie Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 5 hours ago, Banker said: Still think there’s no rain or storm? See police updates, lots of trees blocking roads, flooding etc No, it turned out pretty stormy. When i wrote that it had eased off early morning. I thought it was going to be just another mildy windy day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 i like the way the artists drawing lines up the boat with the linkspan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frances Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 could someone explain why this mornings boat is delayed due to tidal conditions in Douglas Harbour ? when low tide would not appear to be especially low - that the Manxman has been progressively losing time with regard to the schedule that the Ben kept to for years will have seen its late arrival this morning and thus no breakfast time papers etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Frances said: could someone explain why this mornings boat is delayed due to tidal conditions in Douglas Harbour ? when low tide would not appear to be especially low - that the Manxman has been progressively losing time with regard to the schedule that the Ben kept to for years will have seen its late arrival this morning and thus no breakfast time papers etc. Yes. She is having to use the Victoria Pier during the works to the King Edward Pier, so there isn't as much depth or draft clearance as on her usual berth at low tide. Simple as that. Nothing to do with Manxman. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTail Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 I note that tomorrow's sailing is delayed due to tides. I always thought that tides could be predicted for many years in advance. How have the Steamy only just found out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swoopy2110 Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, NoTail said: I note that tomorrow's sailing is delayed due to tides. I always thought that tides could be predicted for many years in advance. How have the Steamy only just found out? 8 hours ago, woolley said: Yes. She is having to use the Victoria Pier during the works to the King Edward Pier, so there isn't as much depth or draft clearance as on her usual berth at low tide. Simple as that. Nothing to do with Manxman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 when did the harbour at Douglas last get dredged its a long time ago since a specialist company was brought over from the UK , and like everything else in the DOI their preventative maintenance record and policy is dreadful , or non existent bit like the promenade rather build a wall to keep the sand and shingle off the walkway , than use a dozer thats is probably lying idle somewhere to move back some of the shingle to properly assess whats happening on the beach , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevster Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 10 minutes ago, NoTail said: I note that tomorrow's sailing is delayed due to tides. I always thought that tides could be predicted for many years in advance. How have the Steamy only just found out? The times of high/low tides and their height can be predicted but other things can affect the height such as air pressure. Low pressure will mean higher tides than predicted, high pressure will mean lower tides 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTail Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, kevster said: The times of high/low tides and their height can be predicted but other things can affect the height such as air pressure. Low pressure will mean higher tides than predicted, high pressure will mean lower tides Interesting. I am no expert but simply can't remember tides stopping the Lady of Man or the other boats of the 60s and 70s. Is this because they were more suitable for our harbour? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 (edited) 40 minutes ago, NoTail said: Interesting. I am no expert but simply can't remember tides stopping the Lady of Man or the other boats of the 60s and 70s. Is this because they were more suitable for our harbour? Manxman's draught 5.3 metres Lady of Mann's draught 3.63 metres Edited November 16, 2023 by finlo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 9 hours ago, woolley said: She is having to use the Victoria Pier during the works to the King Edward Pier, Has there been a public statement of why the works were not completed before the first arrival of the ship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 27 minutes ago, Two-lane said: Has there been a public statement of why the works were not completed before the first arrival of the ship? Because DoI! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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