John Wright Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 9 minutes ago, Happier diner said: The amount of room doesn't change with wind speed No, but ease of manoeuvrability may change with speed and direction, and state of tide… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 8 minutes ago, John Wright said: Master’s decision, but within company and SOLAS prameters, for boat and harbour and safety of freight and passengers. I didn't mean discretion around the limits, there is none, I meant discretion around the comfort of the passengers and the need to sail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, John Wright said: No, but ease of manoeuvrability may change with speed and direction, and state of tide… Yes. I understand all that. I was merely querying the comment about lack of space. Like others have said there is quite a bit. Yes of course that space becomes a tighter margin in wind and rough seas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Happier diner said: I didn't mean discretion around the limits, there is none, I meant discretion around the comfort of the passengers and the need to sail. Comfort. Only if it’s extreme. Need to sail is commercial, and head office, as long as master deems it safe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 8 minutes ago, Capt_Mainwaring said: The other ferries that use Heysham are some 30 odd feet longer than Manxman, so if it's only a few feet for Manxman then it must be a fag paper for them then! Indeed, I was quite surprised how tight it was while rotating something I've never noticed when on the Ben. Then again you can't get as close to the bow on the Ben. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 11 minutes ago, Capt_Mainwaring said: The other ferries that use Heysham are some 30 odd feet longer than Manxman, so if it's only a few feet for Manxman then it must be a fag paper for them then! Yes, but they, and Ben, have a much smaller side area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frances Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 (edited) The statistics on wind (speed + direction) have been collected for years - the through holes in the sides of the SeaTruck boats weren't put there at the whim of some crayonista but based on knowledge of the ports and routes served - it would appear judging from the last few weeks that winter service was not foreseen in the design of the new boat - maybe the best approach is to get the Ben fixed and let it handle the 3 remaining months of winter service - maybe the Manxman can try berthing at Liverpool now the ramp has been installed After all the Manxman is restricted to the same number of passengers as the Ben - and no doubt staffing disputes may bite once the new rostering is forced - loading the Manxman is for some reason slower than the Ben. Edited December 8, 2023 by Frances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevster Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Don't forget - those Stena ships are cargo vessels and not passenger/cargo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 9 minutes ago, kevster said: Don't forget - those Stena ships are cargo vessels and not passenger/cargo That may be relevant for a decision about the comfort and safety of a crossing in severe weather, but is unlikely to be relevant for turning in harbour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Currently cruising Douglas bay unable to dock, captain reports problem with propulsion system ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emesde Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Still scheduled to go tonight at 19.45 But tomorrow mornings sailing from Douglas is cancelled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevster Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 58 minutes ago, John Wright said: That may be relevant for a decision about the comfort and safety of a crossing in severe weather, but is unlikely to be relevant for turning in harbour. They can manage without the larger superstructure though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, kevster said: They can manage without the larger superstructure though That’s the point. Not whether they are freight or passenger RoRo, but the amount of superstructure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frances Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 (edited) it's still being cleared of freight - then they have to load freight - my guess 20:45 will be best departure time - maybe Arrow will be called in again. Edited December 8, 2023 by Frances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Presumably the location of the superstructure affects the movement in sidewinds - the other ships shown above have a superstructure at the front, so will turn away from the wind. On the other hand The Manxman will simply move sideways. No doubt sailors are well aware of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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