Andy Onchan Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 35 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: Yes, that stuck me about their statement as well. If they're not resilient enough to cope with a single officer being off for whatever reason, then it doesn't say much for their organisational abilities. And if you're relying on the goodwill of existing staff to get you through even minor crises, then it's probably not a good idea to put them on notice. Of course there's an argument that they don't really need to to provide an evening/overnight passenger service in January and the Arrow will be covering freight. And this gets out of the Agreement's requirements for twice daily returns. But it will be still inconvenient for a number of individuals and businesses, particularly those for travelling for work. Of course they could have some officers on annual leave, which will also exacerbate the issue of cover. And I'm pretty sure that Brian Thompson said (in one of his MR interviews) there will almost certainly be service disruptions. So it's not unexpected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yibble Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said: And this gets out of the Agreement's requirements for twice daily returns. But it will be still inconvenient for a number of individuals and businesses, particularly those for travelling for work. Indeed. I did wonder if, a bit like the Hollywood screenwriters strike has reportedly saved the studios a large amount of money over its duration, this industrial action might actually be to the Packet's financial benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 The plot thickens. Arrow to be chartered to Condor as JSY GSY fall back. That means Ben as freight only back up? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-guernsey-67864410?xtor=AL-73-[partner]-[BBC+England]-[headline]-[news]-[bizdev]-[isapi]&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_bbc_team=editorial&at_medium=social&at_link_type=web_link&at_format=link&at_link_origin=BBCGuernsey&at_ptr_name=twitter&at_link_id=C5573F00-A9FF-11EE-9F14-A1A9D0B4AF07&at_campaign_type=owned&fbclid=IwAR30Qmdk149hB_V305tkCwXupAe4rt_2lGpxxoZVJ-U5DgvdSlzeUKn9D78_aem_ATplphzuj8sp_rZe7XPjAjuAO_HpHWyyo07TtMNnjmN58-3CB376AO-gWTCewBdHJYI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevster Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 5 minutes ago, John Wright said: The plot thickens. Arrow to be chartered to Condor as JSY GSY fall back. That means Ben as freight only back up? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-guernsey-67864410?xtor=AL-73-[partner]-[BBC+England]-[headline]-[news]-[bizdev]-[isapi]&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_bbc_team=editorial&at_medium=social&at_link_type=web_link&at_format=link&at_link_origin=BBCGuernsey&at_ptr_name=twitter&at_link_id=C5573F00-A9FF-11EE-9F14-A1A9D0B4AF07&at_campaign_type=owned&fbclid=IwAR30Qmdk149hB_V305tkCwXupAe4rt_2lGpxxoZVJ-U5DgvdSlzeUKn9D78_aem_ATplphzuj8sp_rZe7XPjAjuAO_HpHWyyo07TtMNnjmN58-3CB376AO-gWTCewBdHJYI It's going to be available for them to charter - it doesn't mean that it's off down there tomorrow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 11 minutes ago, kevster said: It's going to be available for them to charter - it doesn't mean that it's off down there tomorrow I understand that. Of course the UA states that Ben is to be retained as back up, Arrow disposed of. At time of latest UA SPCo only chartered Arrow. The purchase wasn’t in the plan. Arrow was bought because of two things, her owner wanted to sell, ongoing charter to SPCo wasn’t guaranteed, and SPCo made a profit on sub chartering. Ben can be operated freight only. Many fewer crew. And Arrow can be chartered out at profit. Just one correction. The charter isn’t to Condor, it’s to the States of JSY & GSY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipper99 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 2 hours ago, John Wright said: That means Ben as freight only back up? Definitely not. The Ben will not covering any freights runs, or acting as passenger back up anytime soon, as she is currently under a temporary extension to her IOPP certification. This means she has a power restriction placed on her (except for manoeuvring in port) until full certification is granted. New rules started to come into force 2 years ago after a long notice period of statuary obligations that were to be met for her to continue in service. Steam Packet have dragged their heels on implementation, perhaps they thought they could sell the Ben and it would be someone else’s problem. Maybe that sheds a different light on purchase of Arrow and wish to amend UA to sell the Ben. Maybe it’s why the management are so determined to impose the LoB and won’t go to arbitration. They’re deflecting? Straitsmann had to comply with the same obligations before she could operate as Condor Islander. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 23 minutes ago, Kipper99 said: Definitely not. The Ben will not covering any freights runs, or acting as passenger back up anytime soon, as she is currently under a temporary extension to her IOPP certification. This means she has a power restriction placed on her (except for manoeuvring in port) until full certification is granted. New rules started to come into force 2 years ago after a long notice period of statuary obligations that were to be met for her to continue in service. Steam Packet have dragged their heels on implementation, perhaps they thought they could sell the Ben and it would be someone else’s problem. Maybe that sheds a different light on purchase of Arrow and wish to amend UA to sell the Ben. Maybe it’s why the management are so determined to impose the LoB and won’t go to arbitration. They’re deflecting? Straitsmann had to comply with the same obligations before she could operate as Condor Islander. I'm waiting for the Manx Care advertorial on the benefits of intermittent fasting courtesy of an IOMSPC sponsorship. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 4 hours ago, woolley said: I'm not wrong. I dunno man, you might be. I can remember being on the King Orry overnight boat when I was in school, and that was a long time ago now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 minute ago, TheTeapot said: I dunno man, you might be. I can remember being on the King Orry overnight boat when I was in school, and that was a long time ago now. She did some overnight sailings of course, but not year round twice a day to Heysham as claimed by others. Peveril did the freight runs throughout that period, so there was no rationale for a nightly overnight passenger service at low season. Freight subsidises empty passenger accommodation on the combined service. No freight = no service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) 3 minutes ago, woolley said: She did some overnight sailings of course, but not year round twice a day to Heysham as claimed by others. Peveril did the freight runs throughout that period, so there was no rationale for a nightly overnight passenger service at low season. Freight subsidises empty passenger accommodation on the combined service. No freight = no service. But it wasn't just some, it was a regular thing, for 3 or 4 years I'd often be away for the weekend and get back at 6am Monday and be expected to go to school. Edited January 3 by TheTeapot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 31 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: But it wasn't just some, it was a regular thing, for 3 or 4 years I'd often be away for the weekend and get back at 6am Monday and be expected to go to school. That's right. If you look at my earlier longer post, I mentioned that they did an overnight on Sunday returning Monday morning. I used the outbound leg for business travel. It wasn't nightly through the week all year though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxman1234 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Not heard much from the union or demands from them. Beginning to think the statement that someone wants a strike on their CV is true. also both unions apparently has a say in the design of the crew cabins and accommodation, so did the penny not drop then that this was for LOB ? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, CallMeCurious said: I'm waiting for the Manx Care advertorial on the benefits of intermittent fasting courtesy of an IOMSPC sponsorship. you would have thought this work prior to re certification could have been carried out while she was in Cammel lairds so she met Marpol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 20 minutes ago, Manxman1234 said: Not heard much from the union or demands from them. Beginning to think the statement that someone wants a strike on their CV is true. also both unions apparently has a say in the design of the crew cabins and accommodation, so did the penny not drop then that this was for LOB ? 100% the union knew about the LOB plan from the very beginning. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 minute ago, Andy Onchan said: 100% the union knew about the LOB plan from the very beginning. Yes. A lot of brinkmanship going on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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