WTF Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 53 minutes ago, Cambon said: I don’t particularly buy the “Windage” argument. Many, much bigger ships don’t seem to be affected by this. I doubt Manxman with its very powerful thrusters is. wasn't there a picture posted of it berthed in douglas harbour with a tug pushing against it to help hold it in place ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 6 minutes ago, WTF said: wasn't there a picture posted of it berthed in douglas harbour with a tug pushing against it to help hold it in place ???? Yes. Wasn’t that just after he arrived here about a year ago. One of the first times trying to maneuver in the harbour? There were fears IOMG would have to buy a bigger tug as the little Laxey one was not powerful enough. I have not known the tug used since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 8 minutes ago, WTF said: wasn't there a picture posted of it berthed in douglas harbour with a tug pushing against it to help hold it in place ???? Can you provide a link? Or post the pic here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 7 minutes ago, Jarndyce said: Can you provide a link? Or post the pic here? dunno where it is/was to link to, but cambon also remembers it so maybe they have a clue , likely this forum or even this thread if i saw it ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 1 hour ago, Cambon said: don’t particularly buy the “Windage” argument. Many, much bigger ships don’t seem to be affected by this. I doubt Manxman with its very powerful thrusters is. Of course it has much greater windage. That’s a fact given how slab sided it is, and, unlike most freight only ferries, has no cut throughs. That then brings into play mitigating factors, training and skill of the master, power of engines and thrusters, where it’s manoeuvring, and how much space there is. The Stena and Sea Truck ferries at Heysham are considerably longer but are lower and have cut throughs. They’ve much less windage. The Ben isn’t as high and only has raised superstructure for about 50% of her length. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 1 hour ago, WTF said: wasn't there a picture posted of it berthed in douglas harbour with a tug pushing against it to help hold it in place ???? Don't forget the snapped mooring lines and the injured employee of nearly a year ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 1 hour ago, WTF said: dunno where it is/was to link to, but cambon also remembers it so maybe they have a clue , likely this forum or even this thread if i saw it ??? I think it is much earlier in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 37 minutes ago, John Wright said: Of course it has much greater windage. That’s a fact given how slab sided it is, and, unlike most freight only ferries, has no cut throughs. That then brings into play mitigating factors, training and skill of the master, power of engines and thrusters, where it’s manoeuvring, and how much space there is. The Stena and Sea Truck ferries at Heysham are considerably longer but are lower and have cut throughs. They’ve much less windage. The Ben isn’t as high and only has raised superstructure for about 50% of her length. I agree, but again, Manxman is much more powerful. Besides my point is people blame windage for cancellations, I blame health and safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 2 hours ago, WTF said: wasn't there a picture posted of it berthed in douglas harbour with a tug pushing against it to help hold it in place ???? That wasn't so much to do with the boat. It was for fear she would rip the old pier from its position prior to the upgrade work recently completed. This was also why she put to sea in the worst of weather rather than stay alongside, giving the lie to rumours that she isn't fit for bad weather. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 (edited) 2 hours ago, WTF said: dunno where it is/was to link to, but cambon also remembers it so maybe they have a clue , likely this forum or even this thread if i saw it ??? Not Douglas: https://www.manxforums.com/topic/51445-steam-packet-warns-of-disruption-to-sailings/?do=findComment&comment=1618548 Edited September 11 by Barlow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 1 hour ago, Cambon said: I agree, but again, Manxman is much more powerful. Besides my point is people blame windage for cancellations, I blame health and safety. It's about balancing risk, comfort, load, necessity and urgency. No point taking on a rough crossing if you don't need to. Pain in the arse if you are traveling and have onwards commitments though. Do you remember a few months ago when they were stacking up, it sailed in pretty bad conditions, because it needed to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt_Mainwaring Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 3 hours ago, WTF said: wasn't there a picture posted of it berthed in douglas harbour with a tug pushing against it to help hold it in place ???? The Ben often had the same when berthed in Douglas in strong winds from a certain direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 3 hours ago, Barlow said: Not Douglas: https://www.manxforums.com/topic/51445-steam-packet-warns-of-disruption-to-sailings/?do=findComment&comment=1618548 not those pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 1 hour ago, WTF said: not those pictures. Definitely at least once where tug had to be brought in to keep her hove to 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinpot Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 (edited) Thank God for the Ben, saving us all by sailing to Heyshem last night. Only it couldn’t dock when it got there because it was windy and is on the way back to Douglas. Edited September 12 by Tinpot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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