Mountain Watch

[TheTeapot]

He was a corrupt cop.

Edited November 28, 2023 by TheTeapot

[forestboy]

3 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Ray Forbes? 
 

Who he?

Deceased I believe. 

[La Colombe]

1 hour ago, CrazyDave said:

WTF does that mean?

My family are fine.  They watched the weather forecast and adapted their driving style accordingly.

It means that your poor family have to share the roads with people who shouldn't be allowed behind the wheel on account of their cars coming off the road. Scary or what! Although you seem strangely unconcerned. 

[finlo]

1 minute ago, forestboy said:

Deceased I believe. 

In a taxi from the airport to Ramsey.

Maybe it was the shock of the fare!

[Shake me up Judy]

£60 one way from Airport to Ramsey last time I checked.

[The Voice of Reason]

9 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

He was a corrupt cop.

OK but why does he have ( had) a kitty?

And why is that included in the cost of a fatal accident?

 

[Shake me up Judy]

2 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

OK but why does he have ( had) a kitty?

And why is that included in the cost of a fatal accident?

 

Cop slang.

[Gizo]

5 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

OK but why does he have ( had) a kitty?

And why is that included in the cost of a fatal accident?

 

So you’re more concerned over £519 but not 2.5 million quid on sausage baps?

[Non-Believer]

3 hours ago, Derek Flint said:

Current cost of a fatal collision is £2,527,520

I remember years ago, Anne Craine MHK reckoning it was £3M per case, it was during the justification for the Richmond Hill remodelling.

[Roger Mexico]

2 hours ago, Derek Flint said:

See attachment. Not aware of the FOi. 

ras4001.ods 45.28 kB · 6 downloads

The FOI (ref: 3496466) had better be quoted in full:

"Hi,
Is it possible to be provided with a summary of the number of vehicular incidents on the mountain road between the hairpin and Jonny Wattersons lane in the last 5 years and an estimated costs associated with dealing with these incidents?"

Our response to your request is as follows:
In the latest five year period, 1st October 2018 to 30th September 2023, along the Mountain Road from the Hairpin to, and including, the junction of Johnny Wattersons Lane there have been a total of 127 collisions resulting in personal injury. 77 were categorised as slight in severity, 45 as serious severity and 5 as fatal.

The estimated costs of the injury collisions have been taken from the document ‘Reported Road Casualties Great Britain 2022’, Table RAS4001. Only those costs associated with the handling of the collision have been included, with any lost output and human related costs removed.

The total estimated cost of dealing with the collisions along the Mountain Road specified above is £ 1,725,380.69.

The Department does not record vehicle collisions that result in damage only. These collisions and any injury collisions not reported to the Police will result in further handling costs that are not included in the estimation above.

It's less hostile and unhelpful than responses we have normally have come to expect from the DoI, but as incompetent as ever.  What they have done is to look up the average figure for "Damage only"  of £ 2,686 from the tables Derek has presciently supplied and presumably also the figures for Hospital and Medical costs (which vary for type of injury), though I couldn't find up to date figures to check their calculations.

The difference in the figures that others have quoted and the much lower ones in the response is because the human costs resulting from the injuries have been ignored.  As the requester asked about "costs associated with dealing with these incidents" presumably they were hoping for the DoI's costs rather than the long-term ones for the people involved.

So what they have done is take generalised data from another country, some of which is based on research decades old and applied it to a particular road in the Isle of Man with unusual maintenance costs.  They've also ignored any collisions where there was only damage, despite such damage being the focus of the request.

[Derek Flint]

RAS4001 + 20% would probably be more accurate when accounting for such as higher costs and salaries here, frequent transfers to UK for serious injury cases and the like. But I've always used it as a validated cost base and just quoted those. Most folk aren't even close if you ask them to take a stab at the monetary cost, which of course pales into insignificance next to the human one

Edited November 29, 2023 by Derek Flint
Typo

[ian rush]

Delays and diversions to other traffic, police and fire costs attending incident, medical related costs, attending, transporting, treating, post mortem etc., plus doing statements for inquest and attending, DoI statements re road for inquest, Court time, plus witness attendance cost when not covered as above.

[2bees]

10 hours ago, TheTeapot said:

He was a corrupt cop.

Was he? Ooooh never did like him, he started trying to be friends with a couple of my mates (quite a while ago) they said he was alright, I said otherwise and I was right. 

[WTF]

the next snowflake on snaefell will probably see the mountain road shut till the end of march.

[Dirty Buggane]

Well keep the snowflake off the mountain and keep the road open. My driving instructor said let's learn how to keep control of a car in a skid and off to the mountain in the snow we went. He said he did not think this would come up in the test but best thing to learn at the high speed of 9-15 mph and he was right, served me well.