dilligaf Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, flaps said: Yes, I've found a table in the road safety strategy document - from 1998-2017 there were 19,502 over that 20 years noted by police. so, averaging just under 1000 RTC's per year. Of those nearly 20,000 collisions, just under 5000 slight injuries, 1243 collisions resulting in serious injury to at least one person involved, and 156 collisions resulting in 1 or more fatalities. Do those figures include the TT lot ( not the racers ). There used be 3,4 or 5 every year on open roads, so that would account for maybe up to half the fatalities. Edited August 16, 2020 by dilligaf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flaps Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 Not specifically, but the increase in May and June is noticeable. 2013-17, of the 246 KSI's, 116 were in May and June. There are significantly more collisions, and as those collisions involve motorcycles (where the rider is more vulnerable than a driver in a metal box) the rate of KSI's is very high. So, of the 71 KSI's in June, 60 were motorcycles. So yes, the TT has a significant impact, but there's still a lot of collisions all year round. 7 fatalities per year on average (2015-17), 58 seriously injured. Every week someone is seriously injured on our roads, on average. Pretty shocking really. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 28 minutes ago, flaps said: Not specifically, but the increase in May and June is noticeable. 2013-17, of the 246 KSI's, 116 were in May and June. There are significantly more collisions, and as those collisions involve motorcycles (where the rider is more vulnerable than a driver in a metal box) the rate of KSI's is very high. So, of the 71 KSI's in June, 60 were motorcycles. So yes, the TT has a significant impact, but there's still a lot of collisions all year round. 7 fatalities per year on average (2015-17), 58 seriously injured. Every week someone is seriously injured on our roads, on average. Pretty shocking really. Shocking totally. Worse thing is the very intended plugging of our roads as “ The Course” Everything you read is full of “road racing capital of the world “ or very similar adverts. One at the moment on MR is with the English female declaring that “racing is in the islands bluuuud “.We need to get away from that image, not try to enhance it. Our government pay millions to encourage speed on one hand, then pretend they want to help us by cynically altering speed limits, where there is no problem. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, dilligaf said: Shocking totally. Worse thing is the very intended plugging of our roads as “ The Course” Everything you read is full of “road racing capital of the world “ or very similar adverts. One at the moment on MR is with the English female declaring that “racing is in the islands bluuuud “.We need to get away from that image, not try to enhance it. Our government pay millions to encourage speed on one hand, then pretend they want to help us by cynically altering speed limits, where there is no problem. That's a really stupid slogan, isn't it? It's just so easy to switch to "Blood is in the Island's racing". No one thinks things through. And why are they advertising events that aren't taking place to people who would be here for them anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: That's a really stupid slogan, isn't it? It's just so easy to switch to "Blood is in the Island's racing". No one thinks things through. And why are they advertising events that aren't taking place to people who would be here for them anyway? Not sure if it is an avert for the bike dealer mentioned, or the bike training scheme . The voice is appalling, especially as it isn’t a local accent, just pretending to be assimilated I guess. A stranger advert I have not heard Edited August 16, 2020 by dilligaf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 On 8/16/2020 at 9:34 PM, dilligaf said: Do those figures include the TT lot ( not the racers ). There used be 3,4 or 5 every year on open roads, so that would account for maybe up to half the fatalities. People often talk about separation of the TT figures. Well, you can’t. There’s lots of other places in the British Isles and abroad that run festivals that attract higher levels of traffic. The issue arises with this misnomer that “they only come for the hoon “ and if we put up restrictions and carry out heavier enforcement we will ‘ruin’ the TT. Theres actually a very strong case for derestricted roads to be limited during TT on the grounds of safety. It has a strong evidence base, which is what the government asserts will lead action for change. It’s there in black and white in their road safety policy. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 I have banged on for years about the dichotomy which is the " Petrolheads Mecca, come ride the course etc etc" and the conflicting desire to keep people safe. I have no problem with the TT it's a spectacle on the "course" for skilled riders who compete knowing the risks. The rest of the time its the A18 Ramsey road ! and should be policed as such! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 https://www.visitisleofman.com/experience/see-and-do/driving-and-motorsport/driving-routes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Derek Flint said: Theres actually a very strong case for derestricted roads to be limited during TT on the grounds of safety. It has a strong evidence base, which is what the government asserts will lead action for change. The evidence from RoSPA supports the speed limits of 20 mph through residential areas to reduce the impact of injury to children doesn't it? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 I think a point that's being missed here is that while the Island's roads are certainly being promoted as driving/riding experiences to visiting enthusiasts to whatever degree; the fact is that apart from the various TT/MGP contribution to the RTI/fatality figures, the vast majority of these incidents are being created by local drivers. Admittedly the attitude creating this situation may be being added to by the publicity aimed at visitors - but do local driving standards need to be raised and/or limitations increased because of the lack of them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 We know it makes sense, but who/what's the immovable object here ? (Clue - It's not the politicians). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Shake me up Judy said: We know it makes sense, but who/what's the immovable object here ? (Clue - It's not the politicians). It's the significant proportion of the population who believe it's their inexorable right to be able to drive at unlimited speeds. You suggest speed limits on the mountain to some otherwise perfectly sane and balanced individuals and they can end up frothing at the mouth. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman34 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 18 minutes ago, wrighty said: It's the significant proportion of the population who believe it's their inexorable right to be able to drive at unlimited speeds. You suggest speed limits on the mountain to some otherwise perfectly sane and balanced individuals and they can end up frothing at the mouth. It's like the Americans with their guns, and with some similarity of results 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 Wayhey! https://www.facebook.com/202507643116915/posts/3542999772401002/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 46 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Wayhey! https://www.facebook.com/202507643116915/posts/3542999772401002/ Is that right? 3 separate car crashes today on the mountain road? FFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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