kevster Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 28 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: I remember seeing them live many years ago 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, pongo said: Speed limiters will soon be fitted by law on all new vehicles. https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/mandatory-speed-limiters/ It's a staged approach. Starts out voluntary. But, even as they are introduced, you can be certain that removing or disabling them will void your warranty and insurance. It will be like crash helmets and seat belts. A few weirdos will whine about their personal freedom - or convoluted arguments that regulation makes people less safe. Within a decade we will wonder that we didn't always have them. And of course there should be a speed limit on the mountain. It's a minor two lane country road which also needs to safely and comfortably accommodate walkers and cyclists. It doesn't really. It's the main thoroughfare to and from the largest towns on the island. Cyclists and Walkers make up next to nothing in percentage terms as far as traffic goes. It'll take a very long time for mandatory speed limiters to make it's way into society. There'll be some big corporate influence in there to rock the boat. Plus there will be a burgeoning market in work around to bypass those systems probably. There's also the plus point that millions and millions of cars won't have that issue anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, pongo said: Speed limiters will soon be fitted by law on all new vehicles. https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/mandatory-speed-limiters/ It's a staged approach. Starts out voluntary. But, even as they are introduced, you can be certain that removing or disabling them will void your warranty and insurance. It will be like crash helmets and seat belts. A few weirdos will whine about their personal freedom - or convoluted arguments that regulation makes people less safe. Within a decade we will wonder that we didn't always have them. And of course there should be a speed limit on the mountain. It's a minor two lane country road which also needs to safely and comfortably accommodate walkers and cyclists. Yay, more authoritarianism! The biggest cause of RTAs is distracted driving. People on their phones are the problem, not people who like the occasional bit of zooming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 15 minutes ago, kevster said: I remember seeing them live many years ago Last time I saw them, in a seated theatre venue, we got shushed by a bunch of old cardigan wearers. Mad, never been shushed at a gig in my life. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, HeliX said: Yay, more authoritarianism! That was also one of the main arguments used against crash helmets and seat belts. It's not about people's rights to drive fast on main roads (as opposed to on private property). It's about the rights of the people who have to co-exist with them. A big issue every day on the mountain is those men who overtake a few cars at a time, cutting into the braking distance between cars and causing the people they have passed to then need to brake. Perhaps because they are habitually late. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, pongo said: That was also one of the main arguments used against crash helmets and seat belts. It's not about people's rights to drive fast on main roads (as opposed to on private property). It's about the rights of the people who have to co-exist with them. A big issue every day on the mountain is those men who overtake a few cars at a time, cutting into the braking distance between cars and causing the people they have passed to then need to brake. Perhaps because they are habitually late. What about the right not to have a system that data logs your every move and action? Anecdotes about sometimes having to brake don't really compare to the statistics, which clearly show that distracted driving is the main problem on the road. Of course, there's no chance that making diving less and less involved will increase incidence of distracted driving... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piebaps Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 2 hours ago, quilp said: Aren't bikes restricted for a period after passing? No, just R plates like cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, HeliX said: What about the right not to have a system that data logs your every move and action? Do you not carry a phone? 7 minutes ago, HeliX said: Of course, there's no chance that making diving less and less involved will increase incidence of distracted driving... Speed limiters are not going to make drivers less involved. Self driving cars maybe - but that's a whole different thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 1 minute ago, pongo said: Do you not carry a phone? Speed limiters are not going to make drivers less involved. Self driving cars maybe - but that's a whole different thing. I can choose not to carry a phone. Or to disable location services. But even if that weren't the case, that's not a valid reason not to resist yet another body collating huge swathes of information about me. Every bit of automation creates more distracted drivers. People are impatient and get bored easily. Phones are addictive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, piebaps said: No, just R plates like cars. Bikers in the UK are restricted after passing to certain power outputs. Its a reasonable idea. Better training in the first place is a better idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 I must say I'm not really comfortable with the cops 'ran out of talent' angle. It's a bit stupid really. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampsterkahn Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 The mountain road daily demonstrates such a mix of of driving characteristics and abilities : the negligently inattentive, the distracted, the irritable ,the psychotic, the potentially suicidal or homicidal, the immature show off, the grandiose poseur.. - And that’s just one driver. it’s a miracle there aren’t more accidents 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: I must say I'm not really comfortable with the cops 'ran out of talent' angle. It's a bit stupid really. The police officer ran out of talent when he tried to branch out into the role of social media influencer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 1 hour ago, HeliX said: I can choose not to carry a phone. Or to disable location services. But even if that weren't the case, that's not a valid reason not to resist yet another body collating huge swathes of information about me. Every bit of automation creates more distracted drivers. People are impatient and get bored easily. Phones are addictive. Distracted drivers easily the biggest nuisance on our roads. Way ahead of speeding. The amount of people I see on phones worries me. Especially van drivers and chav tractors drivers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 45 minutes ago, Roxanne said: One of my very favourite songs from my very favourite albums. Cheers ATP. Not sure if they'd get away with those lyrics these days. Classic album though. Bought that in Colebourne's in 1973, the year it was released. Great cover too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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