Utah 01 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 It seems another example of 'the State' sticking its nose into something that it should keep out of. The problem is that our town councillors just can't resist grasping onto powers that were relinquished by former socialist states when the wall came down. The price of milk is like the price of any other commodity and its price should be left to the market. The Isle of Man Milk Marketing Association (read 'vested interest') makes a submission to government (read 'protector of vested interests') and, miraculously, the governement 'carefully considered the information presented to it' (my arse) and said 'yes'. I'll bet a pound to a penny there was no contrary case submitted. I shall continue to avoid buying manx milk at every opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 It seems another example of 'the State' sticking its nose into something that it should keep out of. The problem is that our town councillors just can't resist grasping onto powers that were relinquished by former socialist states when the wall came down. The price of milk is like the price of any other commodity and its price should be left to the market. The Isle of Man Milk Marketing Association (read 'vested interest') makes a submission to government (read 'protector of vested interests') and, miraculously, the governement 'carefully considered the information presented to it' (my arse) and said 'yes'. I'll bet a pound to a penny there was no contrary case submitted. I shall continue to avoid buying manx milk at every opportunity. Knob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EORH Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 It seems another example of 'the State' sticking its nose into something that it should keep out of. The problem is that our town councillors just can't resist grasping onto powers that were relinquished by former socialist states when the wall came down. The price of milk is like the price of any other commodity and its price should be left to the market. The Isle of Man Milk Marketing Association (read 'vested interest') makes a submission to government (read 'protector of vested interests') and, miraculously, the governement 'carefully considered the information presented to it' (my arse) and said 'yes'. I'll bet a pound to a penny there was no contrary case submitted. I shall continue to avoid buying manx milk at every opportunity. I'm with you on this Utah,haven't bought Manx milk for years,if anybody is worried about our poor farmers,just think how much they also get in un-cultivated land subsidies,in the UK they got around £1.6billion last year,that came out under the Freedom of Information Act,that's why no figures are available here,because there is no FOI act,and MHKs avoid asking searching questions about farmers incomes,because at one time most of the MHKs were farmers. The price in the UK was in the newspapers,some supermarkets were selling 4 pints for 98p,when you have a family on a limited income and two or three kids to feed,the prices of milk,bread,and other basic foods are critical. Going back to the demo's across,the news said outside the dairies the milk tankers were turned away,WHY,how can a gang of farmers stop the dairies from operating,where were the police?,when the unions in other disputes have people outside blocking the entrances,the place is swarming with police,and any suppliers are allowed through,if anybody tries to stop them they are arrested,remember the miners strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah 01 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 jim If that moronic, monosyllabic response is the most intelligent you are capable of contributing, might I suggest you either scrap or donate your PC/laptop to a deserving cause and use the financial savings that you make in internet charges and electricity to contibute to your increasing Manx milk bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 My PC got scrapped years ago and my laptop is u/s at the moment so I'm posting from my mobile phone. I do not need to make any financial savings in order to cover the incurred cost of this as I've been intelligent enough to ensure that my total monthly outgoings do not exceed my income to such a extent that I can no longer afford to buy a pint of Manx milk. I've been know to stretch to a few pints of Manx bitter to and that's a crazy £2.60 a pint, how on earth I'm not financially ruined is beyond the grasp of my limited intellect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave1978 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Why everyone gets irate is beyond me. I posted facts, 2 pints direct from the creamery £1.20. 2 pints of organic Yeo Valley £1. There is simply no excuse for it considering most of us live less than 10 miles from the creamery. Normally people on here say "ah well its fair enough its more expensive, what do you expect living on an island, its costs money to ship things here" etc etc But now we have an example where a far superior product in terms of taste and animal welfair (where the company actually does things properly as well) is actually cheaper to buy imported, we all jump on the opposite band waggon. I love the strength of the counter argument - "i bet you drink beer and dont complain about the cost" - what the hell has that got to do with it? I also wipe my arse on triple ply. I was talking about milk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 I'm guessing you won't accept the economy's of scale argument either. What evidence do you have for "far superior animal welfare"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibaba Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Manx milk is great. It's so tasty. 60p a pint is well worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave1978 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Economies of scale doesnt add up does it. The basic market forces of supply and demand need to be met. If in doing this you have to charge more (almost double) than anyone else then: 1. Your capacity is far too high and thus it isnt economical to produce the smaller amount needed (probably) 2. You are paying people too much salary (probably) 3. You are purchasing your raw ingredients for too much (probably not) 4. There are other inefficiences/too much waste in production (probably) 5. You are making too much profit Tesco IOM = 4 pints of creamery milk = £2.30 Tesco UK = 4 pints of normal milk = £1.18 http://www.mysupermarket.co.uk/shelves/Fresh_Milk_in_Tesco.html The animal welfare comment was admittedly a guess based on the stringent EU criteria required to call something organic in member states Vs the likelihood of things being done 'properly' here (ala the meat plant). I would like to just say though, that I fully agree with the actual farmers being paid a fair price here and across. I just don't see how they are not being so here when the milk costs DOUBLE in store unless my bullet points above apply - in which case it needs addressing at source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triskelion Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 I would like to just say though, that I fully agree with the actual farmers being paid a fair price here and across. I just don't see how they are not being so here when the milk costs DOUBLE in store unless my bullet points above apply - in which case it needs addressing at source. Double of not much isn't a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 It is so shortsighted to say that the home produced product is too expensive so let's buy it cheap elsewhere. That is exactly the attitude that has brought the UK to it's knees because most of their everyday items are now imported and mainly from the far east giving a structural balance of payments deficit stretching away into the future. The money from financial services that was supposed to replace real manufacturing and pay for the country's needs has, as we all know, turned out to be imaginary. We need home produced milk and food as insurance against general shortages in the future when the UK is not so keen on sending us stuff that may be rationed over there. That has happened well within living memory so don't think it couldn't happen again. As for economies of scale, well even the large UK producers are squealing that they are losing money on every pint so how you would expect our small farms to compete with that is anyone's guess. The truth is that farmers who have been in milk for generations are getting out because they are losing money. I know some of them and they are not all rich and grown fat on taxpayers' money. The amount of milk produced here has declined by about 30% in recent years. If it was such a licence to print money it would be going in the opposite direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 price of milk is between 18-26ppl. most will be about 23 pence per litre. yes that is litre not pint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey boy Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 The thing is with people like dopey Dave is that you could give Manx milk away free & he'd still be whinging that it's not as good as in the UK for some other reason. Nothing Manx ever is for people like him. Makes you wonder why they move here in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave1978 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Noone said like for like it isnt as good. I just said that imported organic milk is cheaper. As in supposedly 'better' as its 'organic'. My point was organic stuff is expensive and more rigorously inspected yet stick it on one of the worlds most expensive ferries and its still cheaper than the normal stuff made less than 10 miles away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey boy Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Why everyone gets irate is beyond me. I posted facts, 2 pints direct from the creamery £1.20. 2 pints of organic Yeo Valley £1. There is simply no excuse for it considering most of us live less than 10 miles from the creamery. Normally people on here say "ah well its fair enough its more expensive, what do you expect living on an island, its costs money to ship things here" etc etc But now we have an example where a far superior product in terms of taste and animal welfair (where the company actually does things properly as well) is actually cheaper to buy imported, we all jump on the opposite band waggon. I love the strength of the counter argument - "i bet you drink beer and dont complain about the cost" - what the hell has that got to do with it? I also wipe my arse on triple ply. I was talking about milk. But now we have an example where a far superior product in terms of taste and animal welfair (where the company actually does things properly as well) Make your mind up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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