5 Yr Old Boy Shoots 2 Year Old Sister, With His Own Gun

[MilitantDogOwner]

 

 

 

So does that mean that with the right to bear arms, the responsibility to keep them in a safe and secure manner comes with that right?

 

Yes, of course --- it is the responsibility of the individual to ensure that they are responsible with their guns and keep them away from children.

 

So you're saying while some in America may have the right to own a firearm, there are those that shouldn't be allowed a firearm because they do not carry the responsibility to go with that right.

 

That's right. The mentally deranged should not be allowed to own firearms. Nor should 5 year old boys.

 

What about those who have no training or experience....like the guy who shot himself with his own gun while cleaning it?

[Thomas Jefferson]

 

 

 

 

So does that mean that with the right to bear arms, the responsibility to keep them in a safe and secure manner comes with that right?

 

Yes, of course --- it is the responsibility of the individual to ensure that they are responsible with their guns and keep them away from children.

 

So you're saying while some in America may have the right to own a firearm, there are those that shouldn't be allowed a firearm because they do not carry the responsibility to go with that right.

 

That's right. The mentally deranged should not be allowed to own firearms. Nor should 5 year old boys.

 

What about those who have no training or experience....like the guy who shot himself with his own gun while cleaning it?

 

Like Forest said, shit happens.

[Thomas Jefferson]

 

 

Now if only the slaves had the right to bear arms to stop themselves being oppressed by slavery.....

 

But then rights only seem to apply to white people with money...

 

I agree that it is a pity a prohibition on slavery wasn't included in the US Constitution, but they couldn't do it at that stage because they were relying on the support of the southern states to keep the British at bay. It was decided that they would put slavery on the shelf for a later date. Nobody is claiming the Founding Fathers were saints. They were just ordinary men who happened to be the greatest minds of the modern era, but still imperfect and fallible human beings like you and I.

 

Bullshit.

 

You are aware they were all scientists, engineers, mathematicians, philosophers, spoke numerous languages, successful businessmen, .....they were renaissance men. Total geniuses who excelled in every field of human endeavour. If you can think of anyone who is a greater mind in modern times, do enlighten us. Even Noam Chomsky is a lousy amateur moron compared to people like Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin & Co.

[MilitantDogOwner]

Like Forest said, shit happens.

 

Actually, no. If he had been taught to clean his weapon properly, he wouldn't have shot himself.

 

So far our list includes:

 

The mentally ill

Children

Those who cannot store a weapon correctly

Those who do not know how to use one correctly

 

Edit to add: Criminals

 

The list of people who this "right" applies to is getting smaller and smaller.

[MilitantDogOwner]

You are aware they were all scientists, engineers, mathematicians, philosophers, spoke numerous languages, successful businessmen, .....they were renaissance men. Total geniuses who excelled in every field of human endeavour. If you can think of anyone who is a greater mind in modern times, do enlighten us. Even Noam Chomsky is a lousy amateur moron compared to people like Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin & Co.

 

If they were so clever, how did they not see the ambiguity of their document being an issue in the years to come?

 

And we have already established Thomas Jefferson was a liar and a fraud.

[Thomas Jefferson]

 

Like Forest said, shit happens.

 

Actually, no. If he had been taught to clean his weapon properly, he wouldn't have shot himself.

 

So far our list includes:

 

The mentally ill Mentally deranged who are a threat to society (so not including people who have merely been depressed at some point in their life)

Children

Those who cannot store a weapon correctly

Those who do not know how to use one correctly

 

The list of people who this "right" applies to is getting smaller and smaller.

 

Fixed.

[Thomas Jefferson]

 

You are aware they were all scientists, engineers, mathematicians, philosophers, spoke numerous languages, successful businessmen, .....they were renaissance men. Total geniuses who excelled in every field of human endeavour. If you can think of anyone who is a greater mind in modern times, do enlighten us. Even Noam Chomsky is a lousy amateur moron compared to people like Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin & Co.

 

If they were so clever, how did they not see the ambiguity of their document being an issue in the years to come?

 

And we have already established Thomas Jefferson was a liar and a fraud.

 

What is ambiguous about it? They couldn't foresee every retarded person who might be born 200 yrs later and twist their words and make up garbage about them on the interweb.

[MilitantDogOwner]

 

 

Like Forest said, shit happens.

 

Actually, no. If he had been taught to clean his weapon properly, he wouldn't have shot himself.

 

So far our list includes:

 

The mentally ill Mentally deranged who are a threat to society (so not including people who have merely been depressed at some point in their life)

Children

Those who cannot store a weapon correctly

Those who do not know how to use one correctly

 

The list of people who this "right" applies to is getting smaller and smaller.

 

Fixed.

 

Those who cannot store a weapon correctly

Those who do not know how to use one correctly

 

 

Why did you take those out? We already established that those who can carry the responsibility, cannot exercise the right.

[MilitantDogOwner]

.....make up garbage about them on the interweb.

 

Oh I forgot, you're the authority of Thomas Jefferson......(you're words I believe)

[Thomas Jefferson]

Those who cannot store a weapon correctly

Those who do not know how to use one correctly

 

 

Why did you take those out? We already established that those who can carry the responsibility, cannot exercise the right.

 

They carry a personal responsibility, they do not lose a right. It is up to adults to properly educate their children to prevent people from being total morons with their guns.

[Thomas Jefferson]

 

.....make up garbage about them on the interweb.

 

Oh I forgot, you're the authority of Thomas Jefferson......(you're words I believe)

Not the authority, just actually bothered to read more than the opening paragraph on Wikipedia.

[MilitantDogOwner]

They couldn't foresee every retarded person who might be born 200 yrs later and twist their words

 

Why not? I thought they were visionaries? If they were as brilliant as you claim, they would have made it perfectly clear what they meant by "well regulated militia" (I'm guessing they didn't envisage Billy Bob and his collection of 5.56mm rifles and 30 rounds magazines "in case the guberment comes".

 

Do you believe that the 2nd Amendment is still relevant today, despite being written at a time when the average firearm fired one - two rounds a mintune depending on the firer, and not at a time when muzzle velocities reach in excess of 700ms, have a rate of fire in the hundreds of rounds a minute and have ammunition capacities that would make most infantry in the 1800's piss them selves in abject terror?

[MilitantDogOwner]

Sorry, but --- between the three of us --- I'm the only one remotely qualified to make an informed judgement about a cherry-picked, out-of-context Thomas Jefferson quote.

 

I too have read beyond the opening page of Wikipedia. But I also read several other pages which seem to correlate a story quite different to the one you are pushing.

[MilitantDogOwner]

 

Those who cannot store a weapon correctly

Those who do not know how to use one correctly

 

 

Why did you take those out? We already established that those who can carry the responsibility, cannot exercise the right.

 

They carry a personal responsibility, they do not lose a right. It is up to adults to properly educate their children to prevent people from being total morons with their guns.

 

So you have a right, regardless of whether you exercise that right responsibly? You seem to be changing your story here.

[MilitantDogOwner]

Here's a question for you:

 

Why is easier for a gay man to purchase a gun than a marriage licence in America?