Non-Believer Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) Approaching the 50th anniversary this year and there have been strong words in UK Parliament, as reported on Energy FM this morning. A UK MP is calling for a formal apology from Alf, including an admission that cost-cutting by Govt. contributed to the tragedy and for the misadventure verdicts on the victims to be ruled incorrect. Edited July 13, 2023 by Non-Believer Add screenshot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 UK Hansard...12 July 2023. Summerland. https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2023-07-12/debates/3B1B343D-1FE3-4178-B04E-6DD807272CB6/SummerlandFire50ThAnniversary . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Non-Believer said: Approaching the 50th anniversary this year and there have been strong words in UK Parliament, as reported on Energy FM this morning. A UK MP is calling for a formal apology from Alf, including an admission that cost-cutting by Govt. contributed to the tragedy and for the misadventure verdicts on the victims to be ruled incorrect. this is becoming a thing , applying modern/current legislation ( and woke thinking ) to historical events and wanting heads to roll for things that back then were normal/accepted practice. where we are now is based on what we learned from back then. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, WTF said: this is becoming a thing , applying modern/current legislation ( and woke thinking ) to historical events and wanting heads to roll for things that back then were normal/accepted practice. where we are now is based on what we learned from back then. Yep, exactly. What would an inquiry into something 50 years ago achieve, other than costing loads and keeping CS busy for a bit? Actually, writing and digesting that, I feel it's likely it will happen. With the obvious current lack of accountability within Govt and CS, it's abundantly clear there would be no rolling heads if this had happened yesterday, yet alone 50 years ago. I'd imagine anyone who could be deemed responsible is more than likely dead now too. Edited July 13, 2023 by The Phantom 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Not just our Government and CS. UK government have still not sorted out Grenfell flats and other buildings which still have the defective cladding. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxanne Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) No one in government is going to stand up and say this for fear of the almost certain backlash. And so we’ll throw ridiculous amounts of money at something that will serve no useful purpose just because a few people have made it their crusade. It was really really bad. It really shouldn’t have happened. It did. People died. Lessons WERE actually learned. Apologies were made. I can’t help but feel that was enough. Edited July 13, 2023 by Roxanne 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxanne Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Numbnuts said: Not just our Government and CS. UK government have still not sorted out Grenfell flats and other buildings which still have the defective cladding. I’m tempted to say well let them get their own houses in order before they start pressuring us into enquiries. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 There would surely be massive legal and, no doubt, compensation cost implications if the results of the original inquiry were to be overturned? And...as has been mentioned most of those involved in the building process are now likely dead or dribbling in a nursing home somewhere - likely unable to defend themselves or pay any price for a reversed decision. Apologising for your ancestors seems to be becoming a more frequent request. Lessons were learned and rules changed - but that was then, this is now, and sometimes the past should just stay there IMO. It will be interesting to see how Alf handles this one. Personally, I would not reopen this Pandora's box and would keep to the ceremony and what was learned. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 So what lessons have been learnt then ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Just now, Shake me up Judy said: So what lessons have been learnt then ? Building reg changes mostly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 5 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said: Building reg changes mostly. Like the Dandara built housing complex in Peel that's being pulled down after thirty years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Shake me up Judy said: Like the Dandara built housing complex in Peel that's being pulled down after thirty years. At least it didn't burn down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxanne Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 50 minutes ago, Shake me up Judy said: So what lessons have been learnt then ? Oroglass no longer being used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxanne Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 45 minutes ago, Shake me up Judy said: Like the Dandara built housing complex in Peel that's being pulled down after thirty years. You’re comparing the demolition of Dandara’s houses to the Summerland disaster? I know you’re not one for debate and will do anything to prove your point but really? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Up to a point it's the same thing. Big rich boys in the building game having clout over authority to save them costs and give them lots more loverly money, money, money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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