hillshepherd Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10635803/Dave-Lee-Travis-cleared-of-12-sex-offence-charges.html i see the jury had some sense in this case,trying someone on todays P/C standards [if you look at someone now YOUR GUILTY] it was a p/c stupid decision by the cps,i'm glad the bastards got their comeuppance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotsAlan Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Good. Perhaps now they will get rid of that prosecutor. He is costing the UK more than the floods are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 It took the jury 4 days and a majority decision in the end and then two charges they didn't make a decision on. Isn't it better these tight decisions are made in court by juries than in back rooms by prosecutors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulgarian Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 We often hear of an intense search for and persecution of people linked to a certain thing being described as a witch-hunt or an inquisition, but I think most people do not realise how close to the mark this comparison is. A serious comparison would actually be worth reading. Anyway, I am hoping that the public's current zeal for publicly burning "sex offenders" at the figurative stake has run its course. It began with a seriously repulsive and dangerous character of Jimmy Saville, but now, having run out of prime targets it has come to chucking anyone looking vaguely suspicious on the pyre - 'touchy-feely' garrulous men from the 70s, and weirdo thespians with a prediction for young ladies. Mr. Travis may be a total creep, he may be a lecherous old git who needs to learn to respect personal space - he was a serial bum patter and creepo back rubber - but should these things be the purview of the law? What we have seen in this trial is the ruination (imagine for a minute being put through this yourself) of a man who has done little wrong. Has it been fair, in proportion to the now disproven offences? Has it fuck. The ability to bring such petty misdemeanors to court is still a weapon in the hands of those the spiteful, deluded, or disproportionately aggrieved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Well said. It has been a load of nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 The uninvited massaging of ladies' breasts for a jape is not a petty misdemeanour. The learn here is not that we shouldn't prosecute behaviour like that, it's that we need to find a way to weigh cases where it's one person's word against another's before court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Border Terrier Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 We often hear of an intense search for and persecution of people linked to a certain thing being described as a witch-hunt or an inquisition, but I think most people do not realise how close to the mark this comparison is. A serious comparison would actually be worth reading. Anyway, I am hoping that the public's current zeal for publicly burning "sex offenders" at the figurative stake has run its course. It began with a seriously repulsive and dangerous character of Jimmy Saville, but now, having run out of prime targets it has come to chucking anyone looking vaguely suspicious on the pyre - 'touchy-feely' garrulous men from the 70s, and weirdo thespians with a prediction for young ladies. Mr. Travis may be a total creep, he may be a lecherous old git who needs to learn to respect personal space - he was a serial bum patter and creepo back rubber - but should these things be the purview of the law? What we have seen in this trial is the ruination (imagine for a minute being put through this yourself) of a man who has done little wrong. Has it been fair, in proportion to the now disproven offences? Has it fuck. The ability to bring such petty misdemeanors to court is still a weapon in the hands of those the spiteful, deluded, or disproportionately aggrieved. Yes of course, but then your daughter comes home from work in tears to find her career progression is blocked not just by the glass ceiling but by the fact she won't 'play ball' with the latest touchy feely aged lothario. Captain Creepy hasn't 'won' just yet, more charges to answer...? And as for Stuart Hall O.B.E... he denied any wrongdoing, calling the charges "pernicious, callous, cruel and, above all, spurious". Liar, liar pants on fire. TBT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Stuart hall admitted it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Stuart hall admitted it all peado poetry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Yes of course, but then your daughter comes home from work in tears to find her career progression is blocked not just by the glass ceiling but by the fact she won't 'play ball' with the latest touchy feely aged lothario. That is what company grievance procedures, Sex Discrimination Act and the Employment Tribunal system is there for. It is also a damn site easier to win a case there because they operate "on the balance of probability" and not "beyond reasonable doubt". I am not sure of the situation on the Island but I do know that in the UK a person subjected to similar harassment can also make a claim under the Protection from Hasrassment Act through the County Courts. Interesting to note that the employer can be held vicariously liable bu offences by one of its employees in the course of employment. I would not compare workplace harassment and paedophilia even though they may be on the same scale of unwanted sexual behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Stuart hall admitted it all peado poetry? Lester Piggot couldn't dig it David Icke rides a bike Richard Keys has got no knees Debbie Thrower's got a lawnmower Johnny Marr he plays guitar David Steele lives in Keele Stuart Hall admitted it all and John Kettley, John Kettley, John Kettley is a weatherman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Jimmy Savile is under gravel Michael Le Vell? Who can tell? Freddie Star can't go far Rolf Harris can't go to Paris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Yes of course, but then your daughter comes home from work in tears to find her career progression is blocked not just by the glass ceiling but by the fact she won't 'play ball' with the latest touchy feely aged lothario. That is what company grievance procedures, Sex Discrimination Act and the Employment Tribunal system is there for. It is also a damn site easier to win a case there because they operate "on the balance of probability" and not "beyond reasonable doubt". I am not sure of the situation on the Island but I do know that in the UK a person subjected to similar harassment can also make a claim under the Protection from Hasrassment Act through the County Courts. Interesting to note that the employer can be held vicariously liable bu offences by one of its employees in the course of employment. I would not compare workplace harassment and paedophilia even though they may be on the same scale of unwanted sexual behaviour. When a lot of these incidents occurred public perceptions and the law were different to what they are today. It's a bit like putting Alf Garnett on trial for racism committed in 1968. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbon selector Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 and John Kettley, John Kettley, John Kettley is a weatherman And so is that other fucker whose name I forget (I don't mean to call these nice people "fuckers", it's just that the word somehow fell into place) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 and John Kettley, John Kettley, John Kettley is a weatherman And so is that other fucker whose name I forget (I don't mean to call these nice people "fuckers", it's just that the word somehow fell into place) Carry on fishing, you'll get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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