quilp Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Quilp, read the first line of my last post again - I absolutely understand that Hamas want to see Israel gone. Israel have still committed war crimes by killing non-combatants, 1200+ mothers, daughters, fathers and sons. The only reason Israel exists today is because of the horrific genocide during WWII - makes it seems perverse what they are doing to the Palestinians today. To be honest, I have my doubts about whether those casualty figures are accurate. Who reports them? The UN? The Gaza Health Authority? They could and would, say what they like, how is anyone to know? It's a tad spurious to equate the genocide of WW2 with the situation now, using that kind of moral-relativism doesn't wash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 This is worth a read.... http://www.john-moloney.blogspot.com/2014/08/not-even-close.html And here, too, an account of the UNRWA.... http://timesofisrael.com/the-trouble-with-unrwa (I often wonder if people read links provided) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkH Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 And this is worth a look. Warning, video does not blow smoke up Israels arse. May offend zionist bigots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 There aren't any ''Zionist bigot's'' on this forum, far as I can tell. Unless you're suggesting otherwise.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 It's unfortunate that the press in Gaza are all obviously being well managed by their hamas handlers. It's also unfortunate that the press fail to show the hamas fighters or mention the number of insurgents and the role that other countries, especially Qatar and Turkey are playing. Turkey so desperate to gain accession to the EU. Let's hope their involvement with hamas rules EU membership outwith any luck for ever. . You talk about Hamas as if they're some kind of professional, organised outfit with resources and influence to sway international opinion on a global scale. The press having 'Hamas handlers' ???! Are you even on this planet?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkH Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 There aren't any ''Zionist bigot's'' on this forum, far as I can tell. Unless you're suggesting otherwise.... Touched a nerve have I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 There aren't any ''Zionist bigot's'' on this forum, far as I can tell. Unless you're suggesting otherwise....Touched a nerve have I? Not at all. You are simply demonstrating how well read and informed a lot on this forum actually are. Also how poorly informed some on here can be. Can you tell the difference? Somehow I doubt it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkH Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 There aren't any ''Zionist bigot's'' on this forum, far as I can tell. Unless you're suggesting otherwise....Touched a nerve have I? Not at all. You are simply demonstrating how well read and informed a lot on this forum actually are. Also how poorly informed some on here can be. Can you tell the difference? Somehow I doubt it... Oops! Sock puppet alert! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jefferson Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Mark, you're the sockpuppet. What does the H stand for -- Hitler? Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 There aren't any ''Zionist bigot's'' on this forum, far as I can tell. Unless you're suggesting otherwise....Touched a nerve have I?Not at all.You are simply demonstrating how well read and informed a lot on this forum actually are.Also how poorly informed some on here can be.Can you tell the difference? Somehow I doubt it...Oops! Sock puppet alert! Now THAT'S funny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted August 4, 2014 Author Share Posted August 4, 2014 It's unfortunate that the press in Gaza are all obviously being well managed by their hamas handlers. It's also unfortunate that the press fail to show the hamas fighters or mention the number of insurgents and the role that other countries, especially Qatar and Turkey are playing. Turkey so desperate to gain accession to the EU. Let's hope their involvement with hamas rules EU membership outwith any luck for ever. . 6You talk about Hamas as if they're some kind of professional, organised outfit with resources and influence to sway international opinion on a global scale. The press having 'Hamas handlers' ???! Are you even on this planet?? If you read other than the gutter press you will find bona fide reports from journalists who have been expelled or just got out of the area that tell how journalists in Gaza are being escorted and TOLD what to photograph and report. There can be no doubt thst hamas is a highly organised outfit, very well funded from both Turkey and Qatar which is no doubt a gateway for funds from other states. In addition there are leaks now coming out telling of a very strong military control manned by insurgents from other Arab states. This stuff is verifiable and comes from a wide variety of sources and not what might be called the usual suspects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 There aren't any ''Zionist bigot's'' on this forum, far as I can tell. Unless you're suggesting otherwise.... Touched a nerve have I? I've no need for any sock-puppets. You obviously consider I'm a zionist but you couldn't be further from the truth! What bothers me most about this is the way the conflict is being portrayed by the media and its villification of a country trying to defend itself. So far, Israel has shown remarkable restraint, it could be a lot worse for the palestinians and their jihadist 'defenders'. Being the only democracy in the middle-east, Israel have to bare their teeth and respond as they have, it's the only language islamist's understand. The palestinian people are in more danger from their 'government' than Israel, it is hamas which continues to wage its holy war regardless of the casualty figures. It is always the way when islamists go to war. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 It's unfortunate that the press in Gaza are all obviously being well managed by their hamas handlers. It's also unfortunate that the press fail to show the hamas fighters or mention the number of insurgents and the role that other countries, especially Qatar and Turkey are playing. Turkey so desperate to gain accession to the EU. Let's hope their involvement with hamas rules EU membership outwith any luck for ever. . 6You talk about Hamas as if they're some kind of professional, organised outfit with resources and influence to sway international opinion on a global scale. The press having 'Hamas handlers' ???! Are you even on this planet?? If you read other than the gutter press you will find bona fide reports from journalists who have been expelled or just got out of the area that tell how journalists in Gaza are being escorted and TOLD what to photograph and report. There can be no doubt thst hamas is a highly organised outfit, very well funded from both Turkey and Qatar which is no doubt a gateway for funds from other states. In addition there are leaks now coming out telling of a very strong military control manned by insurgents from other Arab states. This stuff is verifiable and comes from a wide variety of sources and not what might be called the usual suspects. I very much doubt that Hamas have the UN, the BBC and reporters from other such organisations in their back pocket. If anything it's Israel that hold more sway and influence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted August 4, 2014 Author Share Posted August 4, 2014 Lxxx, events would indicate otherwise. The embedded journalists have little choice other than do as they're told, parts of the UN are rabidly anti - Israel, the UNRWA have been shown to be cooperating with hamas, and as for the BBC, they are infamous for their anti - Israeli bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Hear channel 5 are going to do a programme where Gazza goes out there with a couple of tinnies, KFC and a fishing rod to sort this out, going to be called Gazza in Gaza. Ratings winner in my view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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