Auntie Depressant Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 25 minutes ago, code99 said: and ignoring numerous calls from the Holocaust survivors to stop this madness. Also ignoring the millions of Jews all over the world whose lives are in danger from the rise in antisemitism and who are pleading for a ceasefire. This could be stopped and the hostages returned, but Netanyahu doesn’t want it stopped because he is being supported by the US and others in his quest for illegal genocide on an enormous scale. And that’s what this is, it’s genocide. The whole world knows it and the majority by a long margin are against it. And then there’s PK. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 Just going to add that it is worth clarifying that Hamas and Hezbollah, while both funded by Iran, are not the same organisation nor do they have much in common apart from hating Israel. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" applies very much in their case. Otherwise they are on opposite sides of the Sunni & Shia divide. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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P.K. Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 3 minutes ago, Auntie Depressant said: Also ignoring the millions of Jews all over the world whose lives are in danger from the rise in antisemitism and who are pleading for a ceasefire. This could be stopped and the hostages returned, but Netanyahu doesn’t want it stopped because he is being supported by the US and others in his quest for illegal genocide on an enormous scale. And that’s what this is, it’s genocide. The whole world knows it and the majority by a long margin are against it. And then there’s PK. @code99 @Auntie Depressant So what is your alternative strategy for dealing with Hamas and Hezbollah? Bearing in mind they are both terrorist organisations, both are funded and armed by Tehran and both fire rockets into Israel as the sole aim of both is the complete annihilation of Israel and it's people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
code99 Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 (edited) 47 minutes ago, P.K. said: @code99 @Auntie Depressant So what is your alternative strategy for dealing with Hamas and Hezbollah? Bearing in mind they are both terrorist organisations, both are funded and armed by Tehran and both fire rockets into Israel as the sole aim of both is the complete annihilation of Israel and it's people. Terrorist and guerrilla organisations of various hues (*) have existed for centuries. Hostage taking is an abhorrent illegal act under the International Law and must be condemned. The only way to bring hostages back is to negotiate their release, possibly with certain political concessions and compromises by both sides - this has been done numerous times in the past. Waging a war will not bring peace and security now, only more hardship for everybody concerned. (*) "The British administrative headquarters for Mandatory Palestine, housed in the southern wing[1] of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, were bombed in a terrorist attack[2][3] on 22 July 1946, by the militant right-wing[4] Zionist underground organization Irgun during the Jewish insurgency.[5][6][7] Ninety-one people of various nationalities were killed, including Arabs, Britons and Jews, and 46 were injured.[8]" Edited October 8 by code99 Wiki quote 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 A worthwhile read from Stephen Pinker https://archive.ph/tB9Nt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 48 minutes ago, code99 said: Terrorist and guerrilla organisations of various hues (*) have existed for centuries. Hostage taking is an abhorrent illegal act under the International Law and must be condemned. The only way to bring hostages back is to negotiate their release, possibly with certain political concessions and compromises by both sides - this has been done numerous times in the past. Waging a war will not bring peace and security now, only more hardship for everybody concerned. (*) "The British administrative headquarters for Mandatory Palestine, housed in the southern wing[1] of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, were bombed in a terrorist attack[2][3] on 22 July 1946, by the militant right-wing[4] Zionist underground organization Irgun during the Jewish insurgency.[5][6][7] Ninety-one people of various nationalities were killed, including Arabs, Britons and Jews, and 46 were injured.[8]" So no alternative strategy to deal with Hamas and Hezbollah then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
code99 Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 10 minutes ago, P.K. said: So no alternative strategy to deal with Hamas and Hezbollah then... What is your strategy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auntie Depressant Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 Just now, code99 said: What is your strategy? As illustrated by his posts on this thread, PK is a warmonger and genocide is his only strategy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
code99 Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 3 minutes ago, Auntie Depressant said: As illustrated by his posts on this thread, PK is a warmonger and genocide is his only strategy. I hope they/he/she are better than that. FWIW, my strategy is an immediate ceasefire and start negotiating. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 12 minutes ago, Auntie Depressant said: As illustrated by his posts on this thread, PK is a warmonger and genocide is his only strategy. It would be less egregious if it were a strategy that would at least work. But military action makes the region less safe for everyone who lives there. Not that PK cares. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auntie Depressant Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 14 minutes ago, code99 said: I hope they/he/she are better than that. FWIW, my strategy is an immediate ceasefire and start negotiating. Mine too, but, when Israelis worldwide are begging their leader to put them first, and their leader is hell bent on putting himself first, I’m not sure it’s going to happen anytime soon. Withdrawal of international support might help to sharpen his mind but again, which leaders are going to withdraw support when they are banking on the millions coming in to their coffers for weapons. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 46 minutes ago, HeliX said: It would be less egregious if it were a strategy that would at least work. But military action makes the region less safe for everyone who lives there. Not that PK cares. I do wonder what part of "Don't poke the bear!" is it that they don't understand? There is only one way to deal with the likes of Hamas and Hezbollah so Israel is doing it. Otherwise it would just be more rockets until the next assault. That's the reality of the situation that people need to wake up to. Sure there's a lot of dripping and moaning on here about how the situation came about but none of it will change what's happening on the ground. Not at all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 10 minutes ago, P.K. said: I do wonder what part of "Don't poke the bear!" is it that they don't understand? There is only one way to deal with the likes of Hamas and Hezbollah so Israel is doing it. Otherwise it would just be more rockets until the next assault. That's the reality of the situation that people need to wake up to. Sure there's a lot of dripping and moaning on here about how the situation came about but none of it will change what's happening on the ground. Not at all... Violence has really fixed it so far so it's easy to see why you think more violence will fix it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 8 Share Posted October 8 28 minutes ago, HeliX said: Violence has really fixed it so far so it's easy to see why you think more violence will fix it now. @HeliX The IDF estimate they have eliminated 17,000 Hamas terrorists. Good work but it's probably not over yet. Although Hamas has been reduced to recruiting 16 year olds. Of course you're pleased that there are fewer terrorist scum about than before last October. Incidentally, yesterday were there any Palestinians celebrating the Hamas assault in the streets of Gaza like they did on hearing the news last year...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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