code99 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 Of course, as we live in open democracy, Konstantin Vadimovich Kisin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantin_Kisin is entitled to express his opinions. Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organisation intent on the destruction of Israel. That does not give Israel the right to destroy unlimited number of innocent people in order to defend themselves from these terrorists. After 9/11 the Americans similarly tried to fight terrorists by waging wars in Afghanistan and Iraq - how did these defensive strategies work out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 "Die in a civil war or we'll destroy your country like we have Gaza" is something you frequently see the good guys say to a civilian population. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 41 minutes ago, HeliX said: "Die in a civil war or we'll destroy your country like we have Gaza" is something you frequently see the good guys say to a civilian population. What "civil war" is that? By "good guys" do you mean those under constant terrorist attack? I think you're getting worse if such a thing was possible... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 12 minutes ago, P.K. said: What "civil war" is that? By "good guys" do you mean those under constant terrorist attack? I think you're getting worse if such a thing was possible... What do you think "Stand up and take your country back" equates to if not a civil war? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 11 minutes ago, HeliX said: What do you think "Stand up and take your country back" equates to if not a civil war? It equates to the removal of a bunch of terrorist scum armed and funded by Iran. The government and so forth will remain the same. Now about the "good guys"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 2 minutes ago, P.K. said: It equates to the removal of a bunch of terrorist scum armed and funded by Iran. The government and so forth will remain the same. Now about the "good guys"... So a civil war that will result in lots of dead civilians then, like I said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 7 minutes ago, HeliX said: So a civil war that will result in lots of dead civilians then, like I said. The armed forces of Lebanon, directed by their government, hopefully wiping out a scummy terrorist organisation is not an a civil uprising as any fule kno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 (edited) 3 minutes ago, P.K. said: The armed forces of Lebanon, directed by their government, hopefully wiping out a scummy terrorist organisation is not an a civil uprising as any fule kno. Hezbollah's political wing has seats in parliament, and Netanyahus message was to the "people", not the Government. Edited October 10 by HeliX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 3 minutes ago, HeliX said: Hezbollah's political wing has seats in parliament. Are they armed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 35 minutes ago, P.K. said: The armed forces of Lebanon, directed by their government, hopefully wiping out a scummy terrorist organisation is not an a civil uprising as any fule kno. Your joking Hebollah is multiple times stronger than the Lebanese army. And there is no way they will operate in collaboration with the Israelis. Even in the Christian community has a majority "respecting" Hezbollah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 20 minutes ago, Chinahand said: Your joking Hebollah is multiple times stronger than the Lebanese army. And there is no way they will operate in collaboration with the Israelis. Even in the Christian community has a majority "respecting" Hezbollah. It's possibly about even but the numbers of Hezbollah are always going to be a guesstimate. I suspect Netanyahu is looking for help on the ground. Made me smile when HeliX mentioned Hezbollah having folks in the parliament when we had the same in the UK only Sinn Fein never took up their seats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 1 hour ago, HeliX said: What do you think "Stand up and take your country back" equates to if not a civil war? French revolution 1799 Polish solidarity movement of the 1980s Various Eastern European countries against communism in 1989 South Africa anti aphertied 1994 Arab Spring 2010s Ukraine orange revolution 2005 All ended up with the population deposing unpopular leaders which didn't descend into Civil War. There is a difference between a Revolution, a violent uprising and a Coup. Allegedly it only needs approx 5% of the population to get behind it to overthrow your oppressive politicos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 48 minutes ago, The Phantom said: French revolution 1799 Polish solidarity movement of the 1980s Various Eastern European countries against communism in 1989 South Africa anti aphertied 1994 Arab Spring 2010s Ukraine orange revolution 2005 All ended up with the population deposing unpopular leaders which didn't descend into Civil War. There is a difference between a Revolution, a violent uprising and a Coup. Allegedly it only needs approx 5% of the population to get behind it to overthrow your oppressive politicos. Leaders can be deposed through protest and civil unrest. Militias? Not so sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Phantom Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 1 hour ago, HeliX said: Leaders can be deposed through protest and civil unrest. Militias? Not so sure. Fair point. As I mentioned elsewhere on this thread, Arabs make terrible armies, but great militias/insurgents. Lebanon actually has it's own independent army from Hezbollah. But it is effectively leaderless at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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