HeliX Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 5 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Now confirmed. "We will not stop the war" says Netanyahu. Surprise! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 I don’t think there is any “ right” in this whole mess. But I don’t think you should also nail your colours to the mast of any side because it has committed less, or less severe , atrocities than the other. It doesn't work like that. We've had God knows how many pages on this forum with arguments between Helix, PK, and others, about who is the most just in this conflict. Plus all the geopolitical stuff. For my part I’m sick of turning on the news each night, seeing reports of hospitals, schools etc being bombed and the loss of human life ( both children and adults), people being displaced suffering the loss of their homes, facing lack of essential supplies and the increase in diseases as a result. It just needs to stop. And without taking sides, maybe the killing of Sinwar today maybe the catalyst for that. I don’t know but unfortunately I think probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said: I don’t think there is any “ right” in this whole mess. No, there isn't. Its two gangs of religious fundamentalists trying to kill each other. Fucking assholes everywhere. One of my many problems with the whole shitshow is that one gang of religious fundamentalists is strongly supported by 'us', the supposedly free liberal democracies of the west. And that criticism of that support gets you in all kinds of bother, even though that support leads to sickening videoed events like hospitalised children being burnt alive. Edited October 17 by TheTeapot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaaish Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 10 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: No, there isn't. Its two gangs of religious fundamentalists trying to kill each other. Correct. It’s simply the Old Testament with computer aided weaponry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 1 hour ago, TheTeapot said: No, there isn't. Its two gangs of religious fundamentalists trying to kill each other. Fucking assholes everywhere. One of my many problems with the whole shitshow is that one gang of religious fundamentalists is strongly supported by 'us', the supposedly free liberal democracies of the west. And that criticism of that support gets you in all kinds of bother, even though that support leads to sickening videoed events like hospitalised children being burnt alive. A sovereign nation as recognised by the UN suffered a brutal assault by a terrorist organisation. The sovereign nation then responded with the aim of destroying the terrorist organisation to make the world a better place. The problem fighting an insurgency that embeds itself etc etc. Netanyahu has said the war will go on because they want their hostages back and Hamas have never had any intention of surrendering. Netanyahu also stated that those who free any hostages they are holding will not be pursued. However those who kill their hostages will be dealt with. What you would call a clear message. It's an opportunity of sorts I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 Israel can stamp on as many of the roaches on the floor as it wants with no regard to any collateral; but it's futile when the supplying nests under the floorboards remain as replenished and busy as ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 Israel is fighting the war that the whole West should be fighting now. It's time we got behind them and woke up to the threat from Islamist fundamentalism. The danger is in that we won't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 7 hours ago, P.K. said: A sovereign nation as recognised by the UN suffered a brutal assault by a terrorist organisation. The sovereign nation then responded with the aim of destroying the terrorist organisation to make the world a better place. The problem fighting an insurgency that embeds itself etc etc. Netanyahu has said the war will go on because they want their hostages back and Hamas have never had any intention of surrendering. Netanyahu also stated that those who free any hostages they are holding will not be pursued. However those who kill their hostages will be dealt with. What you would call a clear message. It's an opportunity of sorts I suppose. How many of the hostages from last October are in Lebanon? Why are some of the strongest critics of Netanyahu the families of the remaining hostages? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 Sinwar was killed in the top floor of a building during a firefight with the IDF. Which really lends credibility to Israel's claim that Hamas hide in tunnels under civilians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 (edited) Helix what is your point? are you really claiming Hamas doesn't embed itself within the civilian population? Really? Edited October 18 by Chinahand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 From the current BBC live feed: Sinwar's DNA was found in a tunnel close to where six hostages were killed a few weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 Also killed us a too passive euphemism. They were executed to stop them being rescued. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 9 minutes ago, Chinahand said: Helix what is your point? are you really claiming Hamas doesn't embed itself within the civilian population? Really? That I don't believe there's any justification whatsoever for the level of destruction and killing of civilians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 1 minute ago, Chinahand said: Also killed us a too passive euphemism. They were executed to stop them being rescued. Wait til you see all the times they described Palestinians as having "died" after "strikes" (without mentioning who did the strikes either, as if it was just a fucking type of weather). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 Berlin in 1945 was a terrible place but the death of Hitler was a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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