Israel vs. the rest of the world?

[HeliX]

1 minute ago, P.K. said:

Excuse me but this current round of blood-letting was percipitated by the Hamas assault!

What was Israel doing this for, then? https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/2023-marks-deadliest-year-record-children-occupied-west-bank

[P.K.]

3 minutes ago, HeliX said:

What was Israel doing this for, then? https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/2023-marks-deadliest-year-record-children-occupied-west-bank

The West Bank is not Gaza.

Now about your "Single State" so-called "solution"...?

Incidentally you did pick up on the ICJ "advisory" did you not...?

[P.K.]

In your own time of course...

[HeliX]

Just now, P.K. said:

The West Bank is not Gaza.

Now about your "Single State" so-called "solution"...?

Incidentally you did pick up on the ICJ "advisory" did you not...?

You think Israeli violence against Palestinians in the West Bank and Oct 7th are unconnected? That's pretty ridiculous, but sure, here you go:

https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2023/11/24/countdown-to-genocide/

When people claim that Oct 7th was the "start" what they're really saying is that the status quo prior to Oct 7th of Israel killing Palestinians is fine and doesn't matter.

[Non-Believer]

31 minutes ago, HeliX said:

Neither of them existed prior to Israeli occupation of Gaza and Lebanon respectively.

Not by name but their movement and culture certainly did and has done since 1948.

If Israel dug a big hole in the ground tomorrow, disarmed and threw all their weaponry into it, Hamas, Hezbollah and any other Iranian-interest actors including ISIS would still be lobbing munitions into Israel ten and twenty years from now.

[HeliX]

6 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

Not by name but their movement and culture certainly did and has done since 1948.

If Israel dug a big hole in the ground tomorrow, disarmed and threw all their weaponry into it, Hamas, Hezbollah and any other Iranian-interest actors including ISIS would still be lobbing munitions into Israel ten and twenty years from now.

Perhaps that's something to do with Israel displacing three quarters of a million people and destroying their homes and land, and killing many of them, in 1948?

Israel is actively lobbing outrageous amounts of munitions into refugee camps with no weaponry in them right now. Being concerned about some hypothetical that'll never happen but not what's actually happening seems a bit daft.

Also, they wouldn't, and if they tried the international community would stop them.

Edited Friday at 10:21 PM by HeliX

[P.K.]

9 minutes ago, HeliX said:

Perhaps that's something to do with Israel displacing three quarters of a million people and destroying their homes and land, and killing many of them, in 1948?

Israel is actively lobbing outrageous amounts of munitions into refugee camps with no weaponry in them right now. Being concerned about some hypothetical that'll never happen but not what's actually happening seems a bit daft.

Also, they wouldn't, and if they tried the international community would stop them.

Where is your proof that Israel is not bombing Hamas targets?

[Non-Believer]

6 minutes ago, HeliX said:

Perhaps that's something to do with Israel displacing three quarters of a million people and destroying their homes and land, and killing many of them, in 1948?

Israel is actively lobbing outrageous amounts of munitions into refugee camps with no weaponry in them right now. Being concerned about some hypothetical that'll never happen but not what's actually happening seems a bit daft.

Also, they wouldn't, and if they tried the international community would stop them.

I don't condone anything that happened in 1948 or since, but Israel's creation was given international sanction following the atrocities of the WW2 holocaust. Blame those parties of the time if you wish.

The fact is that a large proportion of Arab/Muslim culture still adheres to the belief that Israel should be wiped off the map and has done since Israel's creation. You cannot defeat an ideal like that and it is why we are where we are now.

[HeliX]

Just now, Non-Believer said:

I don't condone anything that happened in 1948 or since, but Israel's creation was given international sanction following the atrocities of the WW2 holocaust. Blame those parties of the time if you wish.

I do.

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The fact is that a large proportion of Arab/Muslim culture still adheres to the belief that Israel should be wiped off the map and has done since Israel's creation. You cannot defeat an ideal like that and it is why we are where we are now.

And yet there are many Arab countries who recognise Israel and are at peace. Perhaps if Israel stopped persecuting Arabs and illegally occupying land the rest would follow suit in that regard.

[P.K.]

3 minutes ago, HeliX said:

I do.

And yet there are many Arab countries who recognise Israel and are at peace. Perhaps if Israel stopped persecuting Arabs and illegally occupying land the rest would follow suit in that regard.

You keep banging on and on about "illegally occupying land" when it's obvious that Israeli troops will exit Gaza when the Knesset orders them to and the ICJ "judgement" on the West Bank" is simply "advisory".

Don't forget that "To the victor belong the spoils of war" that is as old as warfare itself...! 

Now isn't it correct that on announcing the formation of "The State of Israel" the Arab League response was to bomb Tel Aviv that very evening...?

[HeliX]

3 minutes ago, P.K. said:

You keep banging on and on about "illegally occupying land" when it's obvious that Israeli troops will exit Gaza when the Knesset orders them to and the ICJ "judgement" on the West Bank" is simply "advisory".

Don't forget that "To the victor belong the spoils of war" that is as old as warfare itself...! 

Now isn't it correct that on announcing the formation of "The State of Israel" the Arab League response was to bomb Tel Aviv that very evening...?

Clearly Israel believes that the spoils belong to the victor, which is why they've had several wars with the aim of expanding their borders. Israel should return to its 1948 borders.

The Arab League bombed Tel Aviv in response to the Deir Yassin massacre.

[Non-Believer]

14 minutes ago, HeliX said:

Perhaps if Israel stopped persecuting Arabs and illegally occupying land the rest would follow suit in that regard.

And flying pigs and rainbow coloured unicorns regularly pass airliners at 40,000 feet. As long as the two religions exist and contest the same territory (primarily in Jerusalem) it will never happen. Particularly when one is backed by a fundamentalist Iran.

[HeliX]

2 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

And flying pigs and rainbow coloured unicorns regularly pass airliners at 40,000 feet. As long as the two religions exist and contest the same territory (primarily in Jerusalem) it will never happen. Particularly when one is backed by a fundamentalist Iran.

There are several million Arabs in Israel.

[Non-Believer]

1 minute ago, HeliX said:

There are several million Arabs in Israel.

And there are several million more Arab fanatics in Iran and its sympathising bodies.

[HeliX]

1 minute ago, Non-Believer said:

And there are several million more Arab fanatics in Iran and its sympathising bodies.

If Iran attacked Israel meaningfully the US would remove it.