CrossRoss Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 My goodness CrossRoss - HIV has never been isolated? You are very wrong there. How do you think the scientists did the original research the BBC was reporting on - you can read the abstract etc here. it does not look like they have actually isolated the virus to me from this reference. all i need is a picture and a reference, I do not wish to do a postdoctoral research literature review in my spare time - if you are correct then a picture is out there somewhere - should be easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 My goodness CrossRoss - HIV has never been isolated? You are very wrong there. How do you think the scientists did the original research the BBC was reporting on - you can read the abstract etc here. it does not look like they have actually isolated the virus to me from this reference. all i need is a picture and a reference, I do not wish to do a postdoctoral research literature review in my spare time - if you are correct then a picture is out there somewhere - should be easy That abstract is one paragraph! You are coming across as a bit of weirdo you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossRoss Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 My goodness CrossRoss - HIV has never been isolated? You are very wrong there. How do you think the scientists did the original research the BBC was reporting on - you can read the abstract etc here. it does not look like they have actually isolated the virus to me from this reference. all i need is a picture and a reference, I do not wish to do a postdoctoral research literature review in my spare time - if you are correct then a picture is out there somewhere - should be easy That abstract is one paragraph! You are coming across as a bit of weirdo you know? yes, all i am asking for is a picture some evidence i can see and understand, if that makes me a weirdo then so be it. heretics are not generally loved by the faithful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 You want a pictures, a bit like one of those old Ladybird Book of type things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 http://www.virology.net/Big_Virology/BVretro.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Cross Ross, if the HIV virus does not cause AIDS what is your explanation for the illness? What is your evidence? Why does the infection respond to anti-retro viral drugs if it isn't caused by a retro-virus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkH Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Same subject, lighter note: www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnGakbprjgE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 so it's down to monkeys then? I thought it was an early US viral weapon , like ebola? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanxfella Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 The way I read the article is that the cross species jump was through handling bushmeat. How it spread in the human population was sexually and through the use of unsterilised needles. I don't see anything about black men having sex with chimpanzees. Perhaps I am just gullible (or can read). I agree with this as it was the main point I picked out. There was never any suggestion that any Congolese shagged monkeys. They tracked the virus jumping to a small group through ingested bush meat, and then a high incidence of STDs treated by antibiotic injections with suspiciously unclean needles as the initial transmission mechanism to the wider population. It's plausible to any non tinfoil hat wearers. I'd love to believe it was a US government plot against the gay population but it's not really that likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 you can read the abstract etc here. it does not look like they have actually isolated the virus to me from this reference. CrossRoss - the paper documents not only the isolation of HIV from tissues kept from different times, but also the taking of these isolates and sequencing the RNA within them and examining how these sequences are different as mutations have occurred over time. You cannot do this work if you haven't isolated the virus. Do you understand that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Back in my medical school days we had a short attachment at an infectious diseases hospital. It was 1991 and HIV/AIDS was big news, being just a few years after the government's 'Don't Die of Ignorance' campaign, and around the time of Freddie Mercury's death. I seem to remember that back then there was a theory, propounded by a 'maverick' scientist by the name of Duesberg, that HIV was not the cause of AIDS, and instead it was due to something else such as drug addiction. Thabo Mbecki (probably spelt that wrong) of South Africa pushed a similar line. I remember asking my supervising consultant at the time what he thought of Duesberg's theory. He assured me it was rubbish, as Koch's postulates - the defining features of a transmissable disease - had been, unfortunately, satisfied in the case of HIV/AIDS. More plausible is the theory that HIV was spread around Africa by the WHO during the smallpox eradication campaign, as needle sterility then wasn't what it is now. There is nothing new in CrossRoss' conspiracy theories. ETA - wiki links Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted October 4, 2014 Author Share Posted October 4, 2014 The WHO killed the guy from Queen? Wow, battle of the bands has got far more serious than when I were a lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Is this a follow up to x men origins? Bold move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebees Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 The X men are not real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 They could be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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