Snaipyr Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 And surprising as it may seem to some on this board, the vast majority of professionals are bound by and adhere to the professional codes of conduct governing their work (e.g conflicts of interest). Shopkeepers morals: best described as make what you can? Oh for a return to the days of aristocratic politicians... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Pharmacists are bound by professional codes of conduct too, but my Dad (who was a pharmacist) knew one who used his inside knowledge to befriend little old ladies who didn't have long to live and who had no living relatives to leave their houses to. (You can tell a lot from prescriptions you know!) (Edit: Fixed your quotes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 Comparable to the way alot of people are talking about Michael Jackson at the moment Yeah, because that's a great comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FCMR Posted June 15, 2005 Author Share Posted June 15, 2005 And surprising as it may seem to some on this board, the vast majority of professionals are bound by and adhere to the professional codes of conduct governing their work (e.g conflicts of interest). Shopkeepers morals: best described as make what you can? Oh for a return to the days of aristocratic politicians... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Pharmacists are bound by professional codes of conduct too, but my Dad (who was a pharmacist) knew one who used his inside knowledge to befriend little old ladies who didn't have long to live and who had no living relatives to leave their houses to. (You can tell a lot from prescriptions you know!) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 3 Times, better still take a look in the General registry to see the true facts on how it was done (Edit: Fixed your quotes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teapot Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Never mind Mr Downie's "guilt by association", if Mr C is going to walk away smelling of roses simply because he's not named as part of the Ballacain business, surely he's guilty by association (ie married to the owner). As far as I'm concerned there's two scenarios, either - he knew all his wife was doing in the business and allowed her to proceed - in which case he's a cheat and shouldn't be in a position of authority. or - he didn't know what she was doing, in which case he's a chump and shouldn't be in a position of authority. Either way he shouldn't be in any position where he can influence decisions that effect the lives of the people of the Island. Some will say - he's a nice fella, some will say - there's not much to choose from, some will say - "better the devil you know". I only hope his constituents will set aside all these thoughts and consider things very carefully before they place their vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 And surprising as it may seem to some on this board, the vast majority of professionals are bound by and adhere to the professional codes of conduct governing their work (e.g conflicts of interest). Shopkeepers morals: best described as make what you can? Oh for a return to the days of aristocratic politicians... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> err....that's a bit rich innit? Shopkeepers are morally dubious when compared to fatcats like lawyers and accountants, is that what you're saying? Rightio... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacqueline Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 either - he knew all his wife was doing in the business and allowed her to proceed - in which case he's a cheat and shouldn't be in a position of authority. or - he didn't know what she was doing, in which case he's a chump and shouldn't be in a position of authority That quote from Teapot just about sums it all up for me. It's simple but very very accurate. Perhaps if 'we' (collective 'we' including our politicians) kept only those two points in mind instead of fudging the issue with red herrings then 'we' (us) might see some justice in all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonan3 Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 And surprising as it may seem to some on this board, the vast majority of professionals are bound by and adhere to the professional codes of conduct governing their work (e.g conflicts of interest). Shopkeepers morals: best described as make what you can? Oh for a return to the days of aristocratic politicians... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> err....that's a bit rich innit? Shopkeepers are morally dubious when compared to fatcats like lawyers and accountants, is that what you're saying? Rightio... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why does the law society prohibit sex between lawyers and their clients? To prevent clients from being billed twice for essentially the same service. Do you know what happens when an accountant takes Viagra? He gets taller. Yep, we all admire those professionals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stavros Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 I needed to add a bit on to the quote - but at the risk of sounding like steven I can't seem to edit. Help please? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> At the bottom of your post, you will see the following: If you haven't posted a certain number of posts, you won't have the option to "Delete" but you should have the "Edit" option. These options are only given to you after a certain number of posts so you may not have qualified for them yet. In which case a mod may have to remove them for you. MembersWhen you join the ManxForums you will be automatically added as a 'Member', this will allow you to: * View/Edit/Submit/Reply to Posts * Edit your own personal profile * Browse the members list * Store 50 personal messages * Send email from the board * Create and vote in Polls * Upload personal avatars * Can use search feature * Name listed in default black in online status * Ability to browse and submit to the forum Gallery Regulars After making a good contribution as a 'Member' (250 posts) you will be automatically upgraded to a 'Regular Member'. Regulars features include: * Access all of the 'Members' features above * Can upload a personal photo - 80Kb max size * Can store 100 personal messages * Can delete own posts * Can edit own topic title & description * Regulars listed blue in online status. * Add events to the Calendar http://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=219 Stav. Edited to add the information and link for Board Information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian rush Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 And surprising as it may seem to some on this board, the vast majority of professionals are bound by and adhere to the professional codes of conduct governing their work (e.g conflicts of interest). Shopkeepers morals: best described as make what you can? Oh for a return to the days of aristocratic politicians... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> err....that's a bit rich innit? Shopkeepers are morally dubious when compared to fatcats like lawyers and accountants, is that what you're saying? Rightio... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> from my post read again: the words *vast majority* and *best described* then read my post again in context about politicians being shopkeepers I also don't know what you mean by fatcats. Is it something you read in the papers? Is it someone rich? Please enlighten me! AFAIK, the term was originally coined in respect of executive board members of underperforming plcs who nevertheless awarded themselves massive pay awards. Like zero tolerance (which originally meant dealing with all the small problems rather than imposing big penalties for crime) it's become corrupted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 "Fatcats" was originally coined to mean someone quite rich who contributed to a political campaign, seeing as you've asked. These days it's generally used to mean anyone rich/privileged. In comparison to many they are fatcats, being paid ludicrously high salaries and charging themselves out at £200 per hour. Whereas at least shopkeepers are actually doing real work and providing real goods for the real world. But it's the implication that shopkeepers morals are dubious in comparison I object to - basically cos it's a load of old rubbish. "Best described as make what you can"? whereas lawyers/accountants etc work purely out of the kindness of their own hearts of course... Far as I can see all you are doing is being snobbish. (PS can anyone guess what I do for a living ) To go back to the thread for a second, does anyone really believe he didn't know what his Mrs was up to? Or that the grant implementation was coincidence? Agreed, he's either cheat or chump, and either way not someone we want as CM...or even MHK for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posters Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Yep, nicely put Teapot, cheat or chump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stavros Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 (PS can anyone guess what I do for a living ) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Are you a lawyer? Stav. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripsaw Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 {snip} Or that the grant implementation was coincidence?Agreed, he's either cheat or chump, and either way not someone we want as CM...or even MHK for that matter. Don't forget either that despite his protestaions about the Grant Scheme being reintroduced by the DoT&L (Tynwald Quote "Not I") He was the Finance Minister during it's drafting and reintroduction. And... Hanards show that the DoT&L sought Treasury advice in a number of aspects of including criteria relating to payment terms. "Collective responsibility" by department heads... when it suits... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Don't forget either that despite his protestaions about the Grant Scheme being reintroduced by the DoT&L (Tynwald Quote "Not I") He was the Finance Minister during it's drafting and reintroduction.I wasn't forgetting Ripsaw....that's exactly what I was getting at! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FCMR Posted June 16, 2005 Author Share Posted June 16, 2005 What some might be forgetting is that once the criminal investigation is over they will have to face the TYNWALD SELECT COMMITTEE LOOKING INTO GRANTS AT BALLACAIN, which is held in PUBLIC how will they get out of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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