spook Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 I don't think that playing the prophet of doom is helping anyone either. BTW I lived in the UK and also abroad for a number of years and all places are like the Curate's egg. it's not a matter of playing a prophet of doom maybe more a male Cassandra (look it up). Of course such things regarding how things are in different places involve pro's and con's, but what must be taken into account is that the con's involved where living on the Island are rapidly increasing in number and severity and with no signs of things improving, in fact the precise opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Smelly Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 So what would you say the pluses and negatives are then spook ? Would you say the practicality's are better in the uk but the emotional ties are hardest, I would imagine it would be hard emotionally if you have family over here etc plus the island is such a lovely place its just the people I find spoil it. But you cannot live somewhere that is financially holding you back and also professionally as job options are limited here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Border Terrier Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 on the " up side " ...... Spooky has left the island Yeh, every cloud has a silver lining. He goes on endlessly about things costing too much; but then adds he has not one (like most others), but a portfolio of properties. So the housing shortfall - with associated high prices - is deliberately being created by his ilk to the detriment of those that can no longer access the property ladder. A Christian my eye. A greedy parasite of the highest order and East Anglia is welcome to him. TBT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Border Terrier Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 So what would you say the pluses and negatives are then spook ? Would you say the practicality's are better in the uk but the emotional ties are hardest, I would imagine it would be hard emotionally if you have family over here etc plus the island is such a lovely place its just the people I find spoil it. But you cannot live somewhere that is financially holding you back and also professionally as job options are limited here. >But you cannot live somewhere that is financially holding you back... It's that greed thing again. ABBA bemoaned the fact that they 'had' to leave Sweden on account of high taxes. But the local bin/postman could afford to live there, and on less than 0.1% of their wealth; go figure as The Yanks would say. Is a man with £10 million twice as happy as one with 'only' £5m? As for job opportunities, there's always self employment for those with an entrepreneurial spirit and a desire for the material things in life. TBT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 He goes on endlessly about things costing too much; but then adds he has not one (like most others), but a portfolio of properties. So the housing shortfall - with associated high prices - is deliberately being created by his ilk to the detriment of those that can no longer access the property ladder. Hmmm, there seems to be lot of assumptions and prejudice there tbt. ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Border Terrier Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 He goes on endlessly about things costing too much; but then adds he has not one (like most others), but a portfolio of properties. So the housing shortfall - with associated high prices - is deliberately being created by his ilk to the detriment of those that can no longer access the property ladder. Hmmm, there seems to be lot of assumptions and prejudice there tbt. ??? A mate of mine had a number of tickets for sale for the Elton John concert at Nobles Park a few years back. He wanted more than the face value of them. He justified the price hike citing 'supply and demand'. And yes, he did sell them all. I think he had around 1/2 dozen for sale! And no, he didn't go himself. Had no intentions to either. How many genuine fans had to pay over the odds to see the concert? TBT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addie Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 it's not a matter of playing a prophet of doom maybe more a male Cassandra (look it up). Not necessary, thank you. In fact the "precise opposite". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Smelly Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I think my reasons for contemplating a move are financial in a way, I want to have some savings in the bank instead of having nothing as it is now, also I am going no where in my current position and have a lot more opportunity to improve that side of my life than I would here. Personally I don't have a pot to piss in, and my wife is also contemplating it now more. She has seen her office downsize over the last 8 to 10 years and she feels that its inevitable that they are going to close up shop once the boss retires. Maybe if you didn't have a decent job/living you might contemplate it yourself. I have had to take a less well paid position otherwise I would be on the dole, So the dream life on the isle of man never has existed for myself on the isle of man. Personally I do wonder why people have this attitude if someone decides to leave they are a deserter ? I have friends in OZ, New Zealand and also the states and when they left I wished them well and hope it worked out for them. I guess the crab pot is alive and bubbling really I have looked into work in the UK for both of us and its a lot better than here trust me, friends in the UK are living, when I pop over to visit they are always saying they would never go back to the island as the place is a one trick pony, financial jobs and that is about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 I guess the crab pot is alive and bubbling really I have looked into work in the UK for both of us and its a lot better than here trust me, friends in the UK are living, when I pop over to visit they are always saying they would never go back to the island as the place is a one trick pony, financial jobs and that is about it. Sums it up pretty well. You only live once, the rural UK is a beautiful place, if the prospect of meeting someone new doesn't scare you too much then go for it. You can always visit the island on holiday. I do like the island a great deal but all-in-all think the UK is a better place to grow old in, specifically: Health service, Weather, Prices. As spook and others have said, the island is a train wreck in slow motion. Best not to be on that train... Roger: best hurry while there's the possibility of selling your house for a decent wedge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sick Moon Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Sums it up pretty well. You only live once, the rural UK is a beautiful place, if the prospect of meeting someone new doesn't scare you too much then go for it. You can always visit the island on holiday. I do like the island a great deal but all-in-all think the UK is a better place to grow old in, specifically: Health service, Weather, Prices. As spook and others have said, the island is a train wreck in slow motion. Best not to be on that train... Roger: best hurry while there's the possibility of selling your house for a decent wedge. Your obsession with the Isle of Man and your incessant need to criticise it to people who still live here is getting a bit creepy now. I'm of the opinion that you are genuinely a lunatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted April 11, 2015 Author Share Posted April 11, 2015 So what would you say the pluses and negatives are then spook ? Would you say the practicality's are better in the uk but the emotional ties are hardest, I would imagine it would be hard emotionally if you have family over here etc plus the island is such a lovely place its just the people I find spoil it. But you cannot live somewhere that is financially holding you back and also professionally as job options are limited here. It's very much harder to leave the Island first time round, it's right that you only leave your home the once. Breaking emotional ties really does hurt, and hurt is not too strong a word. So is the loss of the same sort of comfort that you get with familiarity of everything that surrounds you. Eliza Craven Green was not Manx born but she certainly summed up how I have felt on many an occasion with the lyrics of Ellan Vannin when after a hard day on some overseas short term contract. It's that feeling so well expressed in the words of that poem / song that sweeps over you that exemplifies being away from the Island that has to be lived through and I believe that it is a thing unique to island people everywhere. I believe that there are two cases to be considered when it comes to leaving the Island, and it's worth keeping in mind that one of the Island's principle export over the years has been people. The first case is the young who are looking for a place where they can carve out a future that has far more opportunity than in my days when for the lad from Pully it was often a case of 'horse trams in the Summer and dole in the Winter', or a counter hop in some second rate shop. For those people it was a choice, stay and get bitter, or leave home and face the hardships. Unless you were from a well to do and / or well connected family of course. I remember at school having a career interview and saying that I'd like to be a vet. I was thirteen. The interviewer, a teacher, literally laughed in my face even though I was on track to meet the academic requirements. So for a young person, single or married, each present different difficulties, and of course different people will have different objectives and ambitions, but IMO more than any time in the last four decades remaining on the Island will result in a falling standard of living in material terms, a falling in standard of living as regards infrastructure, and fewer and fewer opportunities for kids. The second case is about people like me. Retired, independent, and able to afford to live as we choose. For us, and I believe for a lot of people like us, its the collapse of the infrastructure that is of greatest concern. It's the number of members of the professions, especially health professionals, who are either leaving of found to be very difficult to replace that is the worry. But there's a secondary factor, as life gets increasingly more difficult it's the decreasing sophistication that is becoming obvious as a combination of lousy inept government and general lowering of standards becomes obvious and unpleasant. Life over here isn't a bed of roses by any stretch of the imagination for us or anyone but the one big thing that it has going is opportunity. Other things like prices of goods and services, ability to jump in your car and go when and where you want, access to theatre, the fine arts, to socialise with a wide range of people with a wide range of interests, access to first class health facilities which in spite of all the criticism the UK NHS does provide, in short to live a fuller richer life. OK you're a very small fish in a very big pond unlike the island where although you're still a small fish nut the small pond gives you the impression that you're not a small fish, until one of the Athol St., or 'Wedding Cake' sharks decides he's going to deal with you. It's different strokes for different folks. It's up to everyone to decide what sort of folk they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted April 11, 2015 Author Share Posted April 11, 2015 Sums it up pretty well. You only live once, the rural UK is a beautiful place, if the prospect of meeting someone new doesn't scare you too much then go for it. You can always visit the island on holiday. I do like the island a great deal but all-in-all think the UK is a better place to grow old in, specifically: Health service, Weather, Prices. As spook and others have said, the island is a train wreck in slow motion. Best not to be on that train... Roger: best hurry while there's the possibility of selling your house for a decent wedge. Your obsession with the Isle of Man and your incessant need to criticise it to people who still live here is getting a bit creepy now. I'm of the opinion that you are genuinely a lunatic. It's not criticism, it's legitimate observation. Sometimes people can be too close to a thing to see what's happening or just don't have the perspective and field of vision from where they stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swaraj Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 It's different strokes for different folks. If living in Norfolk and Cornwall is so wonderful, why don't you two strokers folk off and get a life!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Sweety, I think you'll find that we have. For the very hard of thinking, the title of this thread is 'Expat Living', so it's possible there will be comparisons with a rock in the Irish sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swaraj Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Sweety, I think you'll find that we have. For the very hard of thinking, the title of this thread is 'Expat Living', so it's possible there will be comparisons with a rock in the Irish sea. You call spending all day on the internet slagging off an island hundreds of miles away and none of your business "living"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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