Expat living

[The Border Terrier]

 

 

I have nothing but admiration for anyone who up sticks and leaves all that is dear to them in an effort to make a better life for themselves and their family. What sticks in my craw however is some emigrants on a daily, if not hourly basis, telling us how hellish life is here for those of us left.

That is very charitable of you, Roxanne. I personally have nothing but revulsion for people who have no loyalty to their nation and put their own interest and personal profit first. They are traitors.

People who see their homeland being driven down the toilet with no hope of redemption because the rot has become far too established, and see that they can break free yet do not break free I would call bloody fools if they don't.

 

Traitors, yes, but traitors to themselves and traitors to their dependants if they stay.

 

 

>and see that they can break free yet do not break free I would call bloody fools if they don't.

 

Perhaps they like their home and wish to stand and put right the ills, rather than cut and run having predicted higher investment returns elsewhere.

 

This community has others coming through, a whole generation of youngsters that need help with education, jobs, housing, health etc.

 

For example, with less than 5% of hospital consultants being Manx, we need all the external help we can get.

 

A spiv masquerading as a Christian we don't need.

 

And this train crash you insist is 'just around the corner'...do you not think it'll affect the environs of Stoke Holy Cross too? Or is it just a Manx problem?

 

TBT.

[paswt]

Spook, you have stated that you came to "christianity '" later in life.

 

I was brought up in a christian household , was a choirboy , church server, read lessons in church, went to bible study .....the whole bit

 

So do NOT presume to tell me "A good start would be if you studied it before commenting on it" .

 

You really are a offensive small man aren't you?

 

To be charitable I "lost my faith " when I was later instructed by hypocritical patronising self centred "christians" like Tony Blair / Thatcher and er yes folk just like you (who have advised folk on this site that failing to have your children baptised in your cult/faith will result in them being "cast into the eternal fire).

 

You say you owe the island "NOTHING", I'm not surprised , don't be surprised if folk view you in the same light , your rants against those of other faiths serve to demonstrate your lack of humanity , your brand of "Christianity" frankly stinks .

 

I pity you as a sad and lonely old bigot who when you go ,as we all must, will be telling Christ that you know best.

[manxy]

Calm it down guys as we're back to name calling again.

If you want to splash out on some expletives towards each other, there's a chat room above where you can let off some steam.

 

Thanks

[spook]

Paswt, the very fact thst you write "I was brought up in a christian household , was a choirboy , church server, read lessons in church, went to bible study .....the whole bit" tells me that you might very well know a lot about a "church" that uses a pick and mix from Christ and his teaching - but will be ANYTHING BUT Christian.

 

If you really want to learn about Christ's teaching then best start with a very much Lower church than you will have been exposed to. An easy access to real Christianity for someone who has been through the sort of stuff you've probably been exposed to is the traditional Baptist as a start.

[paswt]

Paswt, the very fact thst you write "I was brought up in a christian household , was a choirboy , church server, read lessons in church, went to bible study .....the whole bit" tells me that you might very well know a lot about a "church" that uses a pick and mix from Christ and his teaching - but will be ANYTHING BUT Christian.

 

If you really want to learn about Christ's teaching then best start with a very much Lower church than you will have been exposed to. An easy access to real Christianity for someone who has been through the sort of stuff you've probably been exposed to is the traditional Baptist as a start.

 

I am obliged by your opinions and retain my own

[Isaac]

Paswt, the very fact thst you write "I was brought up in a christian household , was a choirboy , church server, read lessons in church, went to bible study .....the whole bit" tells me that you might very well know a lot about a "church" that uses a pick and mix from Christ and his teaching - but will be ANYTHING BUT Christian.

 

Before you lecture others on adherence to the teachings of Christ, you should probably do a little homework on the whole "judge not, lest ye be judged" teaching. You assume too much.

[spook]

TBT, it's not a case of looking for higher fiscal returns elsewhere it's a case of getting out of somewhere that the future is now an incurable basket case that will get worse and wosre before reaching a crisis point when what is inconceivable today let alone unacceptable for most today will have to happen

 

But leading up to that WILL be continued reduction in living standards across the board. It's why I launched this thread to bearing just a little bit of what it's. ie to leave the Island and the different life when you do in the hope that people, especially the young, will look beyond the horizon both literally and figuratively.

 

You say that recruitment of specialists is becoming problematic. It's no surprise. But it is unreasonable to expect young Manx kids to become educated and trained in a profession and to then come back to a basket case nation.

 

I left home to undertake tertiary education but there is no way that I would have returned to the Island even if there were vacancies for a physicist in anything but a teaching role. That was in 1965 and the prospects for young people in one of the professions on the Island are very much fewer today than then.

 

In fact to engage in moral blackmail by writing that young folk having become educated and then qualified in a trade or profession should return to face the utter mess that the Island has become, and that is getting worse by the day, is shameful.

[spook]

 

Paswt, the very fact thst you write "I was brought up in a christian household , was a choirboy , church server, read lessons in church, went to bible study .....the whole bit" tells me that you might very well know a lot about a "church" that uses a pick and mix from Christ and his teaching - but will be ANYTHING BUT Christian.

If you really want to learn about Christ's teaching then best start with a very much Lower church than you will have been exposed to. An easy access to real Christianity for someone who has been through the sort of stuff you've probably been exposed to is the traditional Baptist as a start.

 

I am obliged by your opinions and retain my own

And I return the compliment.

 

Fair 'nuff.

[Isaac]

In fact to engage in moral blackmail by writing that young folk having become educated and then qualified in a trade or profession should return to face the utter mess that the Island has become, and that is getting worse by the day, is shameful.

 

No, it isn't. They should come back and sort out the mess. God knows, we need new blood to fight the deadwood and reform the system. They should return and serve their country.

[The Sick Moon]

Calm it down guys as we're back to name calling again.

If you want to splash out on some expletives towards each other, there's a chat room above where you can let off some steam.

 

Thanks

 

You silly cow.

[Isaac]

[spook]

 

In fact to engage in moral blackmail by writing that young folk having become educated and then qualified in a trade or profession should return to face the utter mess that the Island has become, and that is getting worse by the day, is shameful.

 

No, it isn't. They should come back and sort out the mess. God knows, we need new blood to fight the deadwood and reform the system. They should return and serve their country.

It's not repairable. Things will now have to run their course.

 

It's incredibly sad because I really do believe that although it would have been incredibly difficult and would have required extensive and very contentious legislation to cull the bloat in the public sector as well as austerity with a capital ouch the Bell government could have pulled the Island back from the brink.

 

But it didn't happen and now it's too late. Things are going to get very much worse, there is nothing that now can be done.

[Isaac]

Things are going to get very much worse

 

Lighten up and speak a positive message. Reform needs to be articulated positively instead of negatively. Instead of putting the establishment down, raise the ordinary people up - encourage them to believe they can affect change. Instead of negatively reflecting on what the government is spending on or cutting, positively speak on what it should spend on and what it can cut. Our language needs to be more positive.

[spook]

 

Things are going to get very much worse

 

Lighten up and speak a positive message. Reform needs to be articulated positively instead of negatively. Instead of putting the establishment down, raise the ordinary people up - encourage them to believe they can affect change. Instead of negatively reflecting on what the government is spending on or cutting, positively speak on what it should spend on and what it can cut. Our language needs to be more positive.

There is no positive message to give. Neither Joe Public or those of whom 'we are not worthy to name' can do anything now.

 

It's too late. Reserves are being plundered, Family Silver is being sold off, the money to pay for imports is not being made by exports, in short - it's not fixable.

 

To try to pretend it is otherwise is disingenuous and to be in denial.

[Isaac]

The island has problems, but then so does every economy in the world. We're doing OKAY in comparative terms.