Lao Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Until someone can show me pics or video of a misplaced Shiva statue (which we all know is their calling card), I'm not going to believe in the shadowy "they", in the sentence "they won't let independent observers travel there [Antarctica]" Shiva statues are how "they" let their brotherhood know they had a hand in what's going on. no statue, no "they". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul's got wright Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 "it's a fairy story made up and mindlessly repeated in text books" is the quote from the man considering the "work" of eratosthenes. i think he's a (well heeled) flat earther x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul's got wright Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 it doesn't matter which side you are on! this video is a call to both sides, to take part in a worldwide experiment and collate your results. i love science, x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul's got wright Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 now he's expanding it's very interesting too x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Paul, you are doing something I know as a Gish Gallop - putting up issue after issue and not allowing a discussion to go on. With a Foucault's pendulum the issue isn't that it revolves, it is that it revolves at different speeds at different latitudes. With Airy's failure I would try to read this. I really would like to stick with Eratosthenes at the moment and see how the two different interpretations of his results - a spherical earth with a sun a huge distance away, or a flat earth with a close sun produce very different predictions about things like noon day, sunrise or sunset. Having someone on Youtube just state he has disproven Foucault's pendulum and the coriolis effect isn't proof that they have. The trouble is rather than sticking to an issue and seeing what the consequences of it are, you just move on and on and on, and then back to the same issue again without the issues ever being bedded down. I am trying to patiently explain things, and genuinely Foucault's pendulums are a good example of how latitude is important. Airy's failure shows that the earth moves and revolves around the sun (it didn't fail to find this, it failed to find any movement of the earth with respect of an ether), and sunsets and sun rises aren't the sun fading and diminishing into the distance. You putting up youtube video after youtube video full of claims which are frankly innaccurate doesn't move the discussion forward. It just drowns it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxy Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 @ gerrydandridge: It's still nonsense, but full marks for stickability and the work you put into it. Fair play to you on that. Impressive. I think that Chinahand is actually Gerry or vice versa Mind you, you can't say that there's never a flat moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerrydandridge Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 @chinahand: I am revising my model, a y=mx+c gradient for the suns height is not very accurate at all, it needs a curve, 30 years away from the maths classroom makes me somewhat slow and doddery with these matters...plus the last video that Paul just posted has given me another idea..I agree with you this angle of the sun in different places is important, the flat earth model fails if it cannot be account for... The moon rise here to me looks like it is coming towards me and then passing above overhead at an angle as the sun does to me on many days here. I must admit your sun video does look rather like the sun being swallowed by the horizon but do you remember the Victorian drawing of the woman walking away with the skirt touching the floor and the legs appear to be missing. Have you noticed how the whole horizon seems to close in, light wise on a sun set, if the sun were 93 million miles away I would expect the whole horizon to darken or brighten at once, but it seems to close in, getting darker from the edges of the horizon as the sun sets, I don't understand how this can happen..I went for a late night / early AM walk the other night and the sky was slightly lit up to the west, several hours after the sun had gone down, all the street lights were off and I stood in the park here at 2am looking at this orange glow to the west, how can this be so...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Posted in error ... back later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Gerry, it is always quite difficult when you do this. Please look at your victorian picture and think. It is not right. Think about a 2 metre person looking at a 4 m object. How will the angles above and below her line of sight change as the object moves further and further away on a flat plain? The perspective will be the same above and below eye level. Your diagram is wrong. I hope we can agree on this, or else things rapidly get pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Maybe this illustrates it better: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Gerry, I hope we can agree on this, or else things rapidly get pointless. 120 posts later... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisenchuk Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I'll settle this once and for all. We aren't all constantly falling over. I mean,have you ever tried standing for long periods of time on a football......I rest my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul's got wright Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Paul, you are doing something I know as a Gish Gallop - putting up issue after issue and not allowing a discussion to go on. With a Foucault's pendulum the issue isn't that it revolves, it is that it revolves at different speeds at different latitudes. With Airy's failure I would try to read this. I really would like to stick with Eratosthenes at the moment and see how the two different interpretations of his results - a spherical earth with a sun a huge distance away, or a flat earth with a close sun produce very different predictions about things like noon day, sunrise or sunset. Having someone on Youtube just state he has disproven Foucault's pendulum and the coriolis effect isn't proof that they have. The trouble is rather than sticking to an issue and seeing what the consequences of it are, you just move on and on and on, and then back to the same issue again without the issues ever being bedded down. I am trying to patiently explain things, and genuinely Foucault's pendulums are a good example of how latitude is important. Airy's failure shows that the earth moves and revolves around the sun (it didn't fail to find this, it failed to find any movement of the earth with respect of an ether), and sunsets and sun rises aren't the sun fading and diminishing into the distance. You putting up youtube video after youtube video full of claims which are frankly innaccurate doesn't move the discussion forward. It just drowns it out. China you are chattin what i call shite. You think you're brains of britain but you have no manners. Now you're pretending you're dead sound. Don't make me laugh. You dont get to say what i am doing. I do. i am posting info about this thread. so get it up ye x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 @paul Alternatively, couldn't you take a leaf from China's book and start a separate topic "Paul's random stuff" and post it all there? Could be one of those fabled win-win sttuations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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