paul's got wright Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 continuing........god give me strength " We can measure the behavior of gravity in the laboratory with a variety of highly sensitive experiments. Each of these experiments shows that the force of gravity depends only on the mass of the two objects and the distance between them. If, on the other hand, you wanted to form a flattened object using gravity alone, the force of gravity would have to depend upon two, perpendicular distances in two perpendicular directions." no citations or explanation of said "experiments" what a surprise. oh and now apparently, the reader can measure the behaviour of gravity in the laboratory! classical nonsense at its finest. and of course, we all want to "flatten an object using gravity alone" dont we! wonder why he doesn't give us the instructions? maybe because he is an absolute walter talkin absolute shite? "Why did people once think that the Earth was flat?" ha ha oh the ironic irony of all ironies! who was it again that said no one ever thought the earth was flat? come on own up, we'll find you if we have to it would look better for you if you just owned up, or even better, get in touch with this special guy and tell him how he is wrong and has no idea about history! comedy gold, but it gets better "The primary reason that ancient people believed that the Earth was flat was that it looks flat from our vantage point on the ground" hahaha! oh those silly ancients hey, believing what they see from the ground, where they live! what fools, as opposed to all these ball huggers who live in the clouds apparently. comedy genius at this point. but theres honestly more! could any article be more shambolic if even monty python wrote it? i honestly dont think they could top this. "Most people throughout history never traveled more than a few miles from their place of birth, so the horizon that they saw was always the same. Moreover, most people were more worried about meeting the necessities of life than they were about the shape of the Earth." the above paragraph is just abject nonsense and conjecture, and frankly irrelevant in any case of "proving the earth is a sphere" "The misconception that the Earth must be flat because it looks flat to us arises simply because the Earth is big. The height of an adult is much less than one millionth of the Earth's radius. In order to see the curvature of the Earth in a single field of view, you would need to be perched above the surface a sizable fraction of that radius, and one millionth wouldn't be considered "sizable.” so the earth is big is it? well thats very scientific isnt it! but theres more. a "sizable fraction" doesnt seem very precise or accurate, if one wanted to see the curve so to speak. wonder why he never said just look from a plane like a lot of naive beginners in the subject do? maybe hes at least that smart to know not to argue with ndt on that one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-f63VAwZpo "There are two primary reasons that the Greeks knew the Earth was round:" he just cant help himself can he! and then, "The only object that casts a circular shadow no matter how you shine a light across it is a sphere. Any other shape would not be able to cast a round shadow under this variety of circumstances." this just reminded me of the cool vortex video so thought id drop it in whilst i have it in mind a lot of ifs next, all opinions, no scientific evidence in sight nor any citation. pretty pathetic is the theme so far. and keep in mind john, you offered this as some sort of suggestion to try. im not quite sure what you meant? but when i read it i was shocked to how poor the content is, this quote being a prime example, " The second observation is how the pattern of stars changes as you move north and south. If you were to stand at the North Pole, Polaris (the North Star), would be directly overhead. On a flat Earth, Polaris would always be visible — no matter how far away from the North Pole you moved, it would still be above the horizon. However, by the time you reach the equator, Polaris is on the northern horizon, and it disappears entirely once you move into the southern hemisphere. You can't see Polaris from Australia. In fact, the ancient Greeks calculated the circumference of the Earth using this effect and produced an answer that was strikingly close to what we measure today." i mean has he really done any of the things he is suggesting that the reader do? he doesnt even have the decency to state either way. i dont think he has personally, and even if he did, what experiment is he citing? wheres the hypothesis and variables? this is a scientific disgrace, if its meant to be proving that the earth is a sphere. moving on., "If you want to prove that the Earth is a sphere, here’s an experiment you can do today:"..........finally! here it comes! " "Quito, Ecuador and Nairobi, Kenya are two cities on the equator. Fly to either and you'll see Polaris on the northern horizon. Cape Town, South Africa and Melbourne, Australia are well south of the equator. Fly to either and you won't see Polaris at all. A few minutes drawing the predictions of the two competing models on a piece of paper is sufficient to exclude one of those models. And, this isn't the only demonstration you can do from the ground." no just an utter an complete failure to deliver as was promised, yet again! and we dont live on a model so comparing models is like comparing pics of tom cruise and brad pitt to see how handsome we are. its just beyond lazy at this point. at no time has science even entered his mind during this article, never mind proven anything about anything to do with the shape of the earth. my heart bleeds for him at this point. i hope its over soon. one more post should see it off x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
display name Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 minute ago, paul's got wright said: continuing........god give me strength Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, display name said: Who? Not his real name though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
display name Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, dilligaf said: Not his real name though I heard he goes by the name of Frederick,but only to his friends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Write that yourself Paul? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul's got wright Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 please god let it end soon! "Flat Earth theorists say that if the Earth is a spinning sphere, why can’t they feel it? How did scientists first prove that the Earth rotates? Though the shape of the Earth had been settled for over two millennia, a scientist by the name of Leon Foucault designed an experiment in 1851, using a very long pendulum, that showed both that the Earth is round and that it rotates. If you place the pendulum at the North Pole, the direction of its swing changes with respect to the ground and completes a full circle each day. Placing the same pendulum on the equator yields no change at all in the direction of the swing. These facts, and the behavior of the pendulum when it is placed anywhere else, agree with Foucault's prediction." again nothing but presuppositions! what's the natural phenomena observed with foucautls pendulum? has this man placed one on the north pole? funny how he fails to mention it if he has? "Are there other clues that prove the Earth spins on its axis?.......... The six jet streams on the Earth — and how their directions relate to each other — is a consequence of the Earth's shape and rotation. Artillery gunners must correct for the rotation of the Earth as the shell flies through the air above the surface. Modern naval guns can shoot far over their visible horizon due to the Earth's curvature. Hurricanes and (most) tornadoes rotate counter-clockwise in the northern hemisphere while they rotate clockwise in the southern hemisphere. Fun fact: Toilets and sinks are too small to reliably reproduce this effect, despite the rumors that they flush or drain in the opposite direction in the southern hemisphere. so a resounding NO then! just clowning us i suppose as hes full of party tricks " The next time you’re at a party, impress your friends with this enlightening experiment Hold a pencil in front of you, looking down at the tip. Rotate it so that its tip is spinning counter-clockwise. Keep rotating it with your fingers in the same direction as you slowly turn the pencil over so that you are looking at its eraser. Now, the eraser will be spinning clockwise. Slowly rotate it back, while continuing its spin, will bring the tip to the top, rotating counter-clockwise." i look forward to your reply john, although im sure my review will almost certainly involve others, i particularly wonder what you saw in the article in the first place, that convinced you to offer it to me as a suggestion of some sort? thanks x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Anyone can cut and paste https://www.unlv.edu/news/release/round-earth-clues-how-science-proves-our-home-globe Looks like we are still waiting for Paul's analysis of John's post from a few days ago. It must be going to be very thorough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
display name Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, paul's got wright said: please god let it end soon! Does one need permission? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 35 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: Anyone can cut and paste https://www.unlv.edu/news/release/round-earth-clues-how-science-proves-our-home-globe Looks like we are still waiting for Paul's analysis of John's post from a few days ago. It must be going to be very thorough. I realise it is rather hard to see due to the way PGW has written it, but he is deliberately quoting that article - John Wright posted it a few pages back - and is then critiquing/commenting on it. If he wrote it, I think it is the longest analysis he's ever written giving his own opinion on an attempt to explain the shape of the Earth. In many ways I agree with PGW - it's a pretty poor article, but it at least provides a point of discussion to actually engage Paul with what science is and how it helps us understand the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 hour ago, display name said: I heard he goes by the name of Frederick,but only to his friends And Loretta on Friday nights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul's got wright Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 On Tuesday, July 23, 2019 at 11:36 AM, manxman1980 said: Is this thread still going? Paul - you want an experiment that you can perform yourself. Try this one; 1. Start in the UK and map and measure the location of the stars in the night sky; 2. Travel to Australia or South Africa or Argentina and measure the position of the stars you saw in the UK; Your variable is your location - the location of the stars being "fixed" in the sky (i.e. you can perform the same measurements night after night and find the same results). 3. Document your results and decide if your results suggest the world is "disc" shaped (because we all know it is not as flat as a pancake) or do they indicate that the world is a different shape? If the results indicate a different shape to a lumpy disc then what other shape could deliver the measurements you have made? Alternatively, Have a look at a lunar eclipse and the shadow that is cast over the moon. Explain what shape the world would need to be to cast the shadow you see on the moon. You could even replicate this experiment on a small scale using a lamp and a say a tennis ball to act as your "moon". Place different shaped objects between the lamp ("sun") and the tennis ball ("moon"). What shape would cast a shadow consistent with what you can see with your own eyes during a lunar eclipse? As for your school report, you are the one making the claim about its content and therefore the in your own works the burden of proof is on you as the claimant to provide evidence in support of your claim that would stand up in a court of law. Out of interest which court of law would you like to make this case in? A criminal court of civil court and do you know why it would make a difference to the possible findings of the court? This also deserves a thorough response, for it is a bizarre Rambling. Back with you tomorrow mm1980, from a fellow mm 1980, me x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul's got wright Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 hour ago, display name said: Who? Check the national anthem i think it says something interesting about it in there x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul's got wright Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Chinahand said: Write that yourself Paul? Are you havin a laugh china? Even went on the laptop to make it quicker for you! Who wrote the article? alan partridge on acid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul's got wright Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 hour ago, mojomonkey said: Anyone can cut and paste https://www.unlv.edu/news/release/round-earth-clues-how-science-proves-our-home-globe Looks like we are still waiting for Paul's analysis of John's post from a few days ago. It must be going to be very thorough. Wel i thought it best to deal with the pathetic article first and give john a chance to read and respond, if he would like to. . The citation quotes are for posterity and clarity moji x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul's got wright Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 58 minutes ago, Chinahand said: I realise it is rather hard to see due to the way PGW has written it, but he is deliberately quoting that article - John Wright posted it a few pages back - and is then critiquing/commenting on it. If he wrote it, I think it is the longest analysis he's ever written giving his own opinion on an attempt to explain the shape of the Earth. In many ways I agree with PGW - it's a pretty poor article, but it at least provides a point of discussion to actually engage Paul with what science is and how it helps us understand the world. Its nothing i havent said here before china, remember? How clear can it be that the article offers nothing, and that is what i felt john was offering, and thats why i dealt with that part of his post first.. So we are back in circles again with numerous people,who insist they have proof of the sphere earth. Please give the thread a proper scientific experiment as proof. Thanks china Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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