Chinahand Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 1 hour ago, paul's got wright said: DO you disagree with the university citations i gave you for the scientific method china? Please tell me where im wrong Thanks https://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/58796-flat-earth/&do=findComment&comment=1303704 https://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/58796-flat-earth/&do=findComment&comment=1303722 https://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/58796-flat-earth/&do=findComment&comment=1303947 https://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/58796-flat-earth/&do=findComment&comment=1303972 https://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/58796-flat-earth/&do=findComment&comment=1304227 https://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/58796-flat-earth/&do=findComment&comment=1304366 https://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/58796-flat-earth/&do=findComment&comment=1304606 https://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/58796-flat-earth/&do=findComment&comment=1304629 https://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/58796-flat-earth/&do=findComment&comment=1304645 https://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/58796-flat-earth/&do=findComment&comment=1304735 https://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/58796-flat-earth/&do=findComment&comment=1305138 https://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/58796-flat-earth/&do=findComment&comment=1305152 https://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/58796-flat-earth/&do=findComment&comment=1305239 https://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/58796-flat-earth/&do=findComment&comment=1305331 https://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/58796-flat-earth/&do=findComment&comment=1305382 https://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/58796-flat-earth/&do=findComment&comment=1305593 https://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/58796-flat-earth/&do=findComment&comment=1306049 https://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/58796-flat-earth/&do=findComment&comment=1306397 https://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/58796-flat-earth/&do=findComment&comment=1306511 https://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/58796-flat-earth/&do=findComment&comment=1306683 https://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/58796-flat-earth/&do=findComment&comment=1307284 https://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/58796-flat-earth/&do=findComment&comment=1307800 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul's got wright Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Sorry but can you quote me and explain how what ive written is wrong please china, factually or otherwise. I dont know what you are refering to otherwise and it would give clarity about the situation for the readers. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul's got wright Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Its a school boy error in comedy to lose the audience Lets keep it all in the open Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 14 hours ago, Chinahand said: Paul. Hold your thumb out at arms length at eye level. Close your left eye. Look at the position of your thumb compared to the background. Now close your right eye open your left eye. Notice a change in the position of your thumb relative to the background? Now in your universe is this a natural phenomenon? what is causing it? Can you scientifically examine it? 4 hours ago, paul's got wright said: What is the naturally observed phenomena in the cavendish dilemma you believe to be a scientific experiment? I dont remember making a claim in relation to your question and do not see its relevence? I am going to have a go at explaining the Cavendish experiment for you, be patient. But firstly maybe answering my questions about your thumb and the changing view will help clarify things. Do you acknowledge your thumb does change position relative to the background when you open and close your left and right eyes? What causes this? In your understanding of science can this phenomenon be scientifically examined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Hey @John Wright you're right. Lock it. It's over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 @paul's got wrightJust read this critique and analysis of Eratosthenes. http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/2006JAHH....9...57P It covers his experiment. The errors, the variables he couldn’t take into account because they weren’t known to him ( including the oblate nature of the earths spherical shape ) and shows how, through continued testing and retesting of his theory it has been modified and refined, with better equipment and knowledge, but not disproved. And that’s it with science. It’s where you, and for that matter, @manxy in the 5g thread go wrong. You want absolute proofs. They don’t exist. There are theories, which have been tested, repeated and reproduced to the extent they are accepted ( but only until they are proved wrong - and in some cases that’s is so unlikely as to be discountable ) or those theories which have no scientific basis, or a basis in bad science - they prove nothing. Here’s a fun, modern, Canadian, repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul's got wright Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Bobbie Bobster said: Hey @John Wright you're right. Lock it. It's over. You cant handle the lack of proof blobzy, keep cryin wolf mate, then you can live on a ball, coz thats blobby science! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul's got wright Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 9 hours ago, Chinahand said: I am going to have a go at explaining the Cavendish experiment for you, be patient. But firstly maybe answering my questions about your thumb and the changing view will help clarify things. Do you acknowledge your thumb does change position relative to the background when you open and close your left and right eyes? What causes this? In your understanding of science can this phenomenon be scientifically examined. I know the cav ex inside out china! No need to explain it to me, just provide the naturally occuring phenomena please, for the readers x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Well if you know it inside out why don’t you peer review it for us. That is how science advances by the errors of previous work being pointed out and better methods for collecting and interpreting observations being suggested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul's got wright Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 23 minutes ago, John Wright said: @paul's got wrightJust read this critique and analysis of Eratosthenes. http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/2006JAHH....9...57P It covers his experiment. The errors, the variables he couldn’t take into account because they weren’t known to him ( including the oblate nature of the earths spherical shape ) and shows how, through continued testing and retesting of his theory it has been modified and refined, with better equipment and knowledge, but not disproved. And that’s it with science. It’s where you, and for that matter, @manxy in the 5g thread go wrong. You want absolute proofs. They don’t exist. There are theories, which have been tested, repeated and reproduced to the extent they are accepted ( but only until they are proved wrong - and in some cases that’s is so unlikely as to be discountable ) or those theories which have no scientific basis, or a basis in bad science - they prove nothing. Here’s a fun, modern, Canadian, repeat. Is that the response to me oblitrating the article you recommended? And you claim that i "go wrong" somehow, yet you dont specify or explain. I easily explained everything that was wrong with the article, even china couldnt stand by it! If im wrong or factually incorrect about something then just simply quote me john and point out exactly what you disagree with. show me where i am wrong and how you are correct and i will happily admit to it if valid Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul's got wright Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, Chinahand said: Well if you know it inside out why don’t you peer review it for us. That is how science advances by the errors of previous work being pointed out and better methods for collecting and interpreting observations being suggested. Because its not a SCIENTIFIC experiment, but of course! Proven by the fact that, every time i ask you for the naturally observed phenomenon, you wont provide it! Feel free china i love debunking nonsense x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 18 minutes ago, paul's got wright said: Is that the response to me oblitrating the article you recommended? And you claim that i "go wrong" somehow, yet you dont specify or explain. I easily explained everything that was wrong with the article, even china couldnt stand by it! If im wrong or factually incorrect about something then just simply quote me john and point out exactly what you disagree with. show me where i am wrong and how you are correct and i will happily admit to it if valid Thanks It’s impossible because you duck, dive, don’t actually set out what you believe, or postulate as true/factual/proved so that we can show where and why you’re wrong. You reject or avoid any request to nail your colours. You just raise questions, but without explaining what it is that’s wrong with the evidence or argument put forward by anyone else. No, this isn’t to obliterate. You keep on asking for proof, a theory, with a repeatable, experiment, with a single variable. Naturally observed phenomena, to use your words. I’ve given one that I think fulfils those conditions. If it doesn’t, then explain why not, and how it’s wrong. Got to laugh at this bit: If im wrong or factually incorrect about something then just simply quote me john and point out exactly what you disagree with. show me where i am wrong and how you are correct and i will happily admit to it if valid Who is going to determine validity? What do you want me to comment upon? It’s like dealing with Chris Thomas, lots of convolution, lots of circumlocution, many, long, words, but signifying not very much in the end. That Harvard article sets out why, in spite of all the errors, the original experiment was right. It sets out the maths, explains errors and how they’ve been resolved. The NYT article was a journalist, not a scientist, using lay language. You don’t, and haven’t obliterated anything with your attempts at clever, sophistry, semantics, word play. You get hung up on “round” because it should be sphere. It’s loose, I accept. But look at a football. What shape is it? 99% will say round. It proves nothing in support of whatever it is that you espouse or oppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul's got wright Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 27 minutes ago, Chinahand said: Well if you know it inside out why don’t you peer review it for us. That is how science advances by the errors of previous work being pointed out and better methods for collecting and interpreting observations being suggested. You're not tellin me anything i dont already know china, passed my dual science 22 years ago fella, been learning more ever since, took science at university along with anthropology and english lit. Remember china youre conversing with arguably one of the most talented students in my school year. Trolls are expected to infer callous notions. You are not a troll and you are better than that. Stick to the facts and lets debunk things by scientitic definitions please Its about time you man up to the scientific reality of your claims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 9 hours ago, Chinahand said: But firstly maybe answering my questions about your thumb and the changing view will help clarify things. Do you acknowledge your thumb does change position relative to the background when you open and close your left and right eyes? What causes this? In your understanding of science can this phenomenon be scientifically examined. Paul can you answer the questions I’ve asked here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul's got wright Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 13 minutes ago, John Wright said: It’s impossible because you duck, dive, don’t actually set out what you believe, or postulate as true/factual/proved so that we can show where and why you’re wrong. You reject or avoid any request to nail your colours. You just raise questions, but without explaining what it is that’s wrong with the evidence or argument put forward by anyone else. No, this isn’t to obliterate. You keep on asking for proof, a theory, with a repeatable, experiment, with a single variable. Naturally observed phenomena, to use your words. I’ve given one that I think fulfils those conditions. If it doesn’t, then explain why not, and how it’s wrong. Got to laugh at this bit: If im wrong or factually incorrect about something then just simply quote me john and point out exactly what you disagree with. show me where i am wrong and how you are correct and i will happily admit to it if valid Who is going to determine validity? What do you want me to comment upon? It’s like dealing with Chris Thomas, lots of convolution, lots of circumlocution, many, long, words, but signifying not very much in the end. That Harvard article sets out why, in spite of all the errors, the original experiment was right. It sets out the maths, explains errors and how they’ve been resolved. The NYT article was a journalist, not a scientist, using lay language. You don’t, and haven’t obliterated anything with your attempts at clever, sophistry, semantics, word play. You get hung up on “round” because it should be sphere. It’s loose, I accept. But look at a football. What shape is it? 99% will say round. It proves nothing in support of whatever it is that you espouse or oppose. Ok no problem john, i can show you how its done again, with a thorough analysis of how and why you are wrong and or factually incorrect, by quoting you directly. See you tea time and hopefully this time, you wll simply quote my post and respond. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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